Trump Has Violated Constitution

Perfect, Things already starting to escalate with Russia. So much for the liberal "trump is working for putin" narrative.

Attacking Syria again? You'll need to get through me: Russian battleship is positioned between US warships and runway hit by Trump's air strike

Vladimir Putin has today diverted a warship to protect the Syrian coast and vowed to bolster Bashar al-Assad's missile defences against further US strikes as fears grew the crisis could topple into war between Russia and the West.

The Russian President has immediately sent his Admiral Grigorovich frigate - armed with cruise missiles and a self-defence system - from the Black Sea to dock in Syria later.

It will pass through the east Mediterranean waters where the USS Ross and USS Porter fired the 59 Tomahawk missiles that pounded Assad's al-Shayrat military airfield near Homs in the early hours of Friday.

Putin today called it an 'illegal act of aggression' and also ripped up an agreement to avoid mid-air clashes between Russian and US fighter jets over Syria.

In the continuing fight back Russian or Syrian planes also bombed the town of Khan Sheikhoun, the scene of Tuesday's horrific chemical gas attack where 80 died, witnesses in the rebel-held area claimed.

The US was also branded 'a partner of ISIS' by al-Assad's spokesman, calling the missile strikes 'reckless and irresponsible' and accused Trump of 'naively falling' for a 'false propaganda campaign' about the Idlib Sarin massacre.



Today world leaders praised the US strikes and urged Putin to hold urgent talks with Trump to prevent the Syria crisis escalating into a wider world conflict.
 
Optionpro007 said:
1. You might be right. We don't know. But a murderous dictator is killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands, that is indeed a lot of 'terrorists'.

2. The US has not declared war on anyone. But what Trump did must have a legal basis, if not, he would not have acted as he did.
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If the antifa "Resistance" here started armed attacks and began seizing towns and imposing harsh repression, would you say Trump was "killing his own people" if he sent the military to rout them? And how would you feel if you learned that mexico and china were secretly arming them?
 
CaptainObvious said:
[QUOTE"AAAintheBeltway, post: 4437990, member: 8342"]So if mexico fired 50 missiles into the US, no big deal, right?
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Now you're just being silly. There was a whole lot of bitching on this board about a do nothing Obama administration and now suddenly you're all a bunch of pacifists. Me thinks you guys just want to bitch and complain more than anything else.[/QUOTE]

I'm illustrating that firing missiles into another country is an act of war. By definition. The Constitution requires a declaration of war by a vote of the congress. That was not something they threw in at the last minute.

If Obama or Hillary had done, this I would be making the same argument. Even Obama respected the Constitution and the congress more than this.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
If the antifa "Resistance" here started armed attacks and began seizing towns and imposing harsh repression, would you say Trump was "killing his own people" if he sent the military to rout them? And how would you feel if you learned that mexico and china were secretly arming them?
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AAA, I have always liked your posts, as I believe you are balanced in your views, much of which I agree with.

But your example lacks. A very small group of 'rebels' does not equate with 80-90% of the population of a State.
 
Max E. Pad said:
Attacking Syria again? You'll need to get through me: Russian battleship is positioned between US warships and runway hit by Trump's air strike

Vladimir Putin has today diverted a warship to protect the Syrian coast and vowed to bolster Bashar al-Assad's missile defences against further US strikes as fears grew the crisis could topple into war between Russia and the West.

The Russian President has immediately sent his Admiral Grigorovich frigate - armed with cruise missiles and a self-defence system - from the Black Sea to dock in Syria later.

It will pass through the east Mediterranean waters where the USS Ross and USS Porter fired the 59 Tomahawk missiles that pounded Assad's al-Shayrat military airfield near Homs in the early hours of Friday.

Putin today called it an 'illegal act of aggression' and also ripped up an agreement to avoid mid-air clashes between Russian and US fighter jets over Syria.
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That feeling when you just went all in and looked up and saw this:
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Optionpro007 said:
AAA, I have always liked your posts, as I believe you are balanced in your views, much of which I agree with.

But your example lacks. A very small group of 'rebels' does not equate with 80-90% of the population of a State.
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I am no fan of Assad, although I think he is preferable to a failed state or ISIS-ruled caliphate. He protects Christians, our side executes them.

My point is that if you start a revolt against an incumbent government, it is not unexpected that people will get killed. The Syrian revolt was clearly not a spontaneous uprising. How would they get so many advanced weapons?

I once thought the claims that it was all about the competing pipelines to be conspiracy nonsense, but now I do believe that is what is behind it.

We heard the exact same formulation--he is killing his own people--when there was a similar insurgency against Ghaddafi in Libya. Turns out the claims were largely bogus, orchestrated to suck us in, not that we weren't looking for any excuse.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
I am no fan of Assad, although I think he is preferable to a failed state or ISIS-ruled caliphate. He protects Christians, our side executes them.

My point is that if you start a revolt against an incumbent government, it is not unexpected that people will get killed. The Syrian revolt was clearly not a spontaneous uprising. How would they get so many advanced weapons?

I once thought the claims that it was all about the competing pipelines to be conspiracy nonsense, but now I do believe that is what is behind it.

We heard the exact same formulation--he is killing his own people--when there was a similar insurgency against Ghaddafi in Libya. Turns out the claims were largely bogus, orchestrated to suck us in, not that we weren't looking for any excuse.
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We will see what happens. So far, in my view, we haven't started anything except perhaps to stop Assad from killing civilians indiscriminately. I think everyone agrees that getting involved 'on the ground' is a losing proposition.
 

  1. We will pay any price, bear any burden, support any friend, oppose any foe, as long as there is absolutely no benefit to our actual citizens
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  1. "Let's build a wall" "NOPE, TOO EXPENSIVE, WON'T WORK, STUPID" "Let's intervene in Syrian civil war" "Yup, easy, cheap, will work out fine"
 
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