Paradise Lost
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Thanks for your courteous inquiry and indeed, let's put the religiously motivated linguistic theatrics of replacing the word forfeit with the word gift - aside.
Apart from the cost of losing one's personal integrity, it is required to give up human reasoning to believe in God ideas, that have no grounding other than in fear and superstition. I suggest that is a hefty cost.
The self-interested affectations of religious faith and the - take it or leave it gifts you can't refuse - from its God, promising to overcome a dread fostered mostly by itself is no gift, and there is certainly no grace in it.
But if one considers the forsaking of such rectitude as no biggy, then the cost of indulgence will still be some $10 whenever the plate comes round.
Apart from the cost of losing one's personal integrity, it is required to give up human reasoning to believe in God ideas, that have no grounding other than in fear and superstition. I suggest that is a hefty cost.
The self-interested affectations of religious faith and the - take it or leave it gifts you can't refuse - from its God, promising to overcome a dread fostered mostly by itself is no gift, and there is certainly no grace in it.
But if one considers the forsaking of such rectitude as no biggy, then the cost of indulgence will still be some $10 whenever the plate comes round.
"Apart from the cost of losing one's personal integrity, it is required to give up human reasoning"... yet you have no problem sacrificing every bit of your personal integrity and reasoning to support a corrupt political system, along with deeply flawed candidate, and that's putting it mildly. The irony is dripping.
1. how could anyone defend or vote for hillary clinton. her staff tried to bribe the fbi into changing the classification of documents. She then lied and said she never handled classified documents.
among other lies
2. no one would here would kill hillary clinton. we put up with bill and obama didn't we.
3. its very hard to lie about hillary because she has done so many crooked things... and almost everything we said has been confirmed in podesta emails. she has a public position and a different that she tells her paymasters. just like the rest of the establishment.
among other lies
2. no one would here would kill hillary clinton. we put up with bill and obama didn't we.
3. its very hard to lie about hillary because she has done so many crooked things... and almost everything we said has been confirmed in podesta emails. she has a public position and a different that she tells her paymasters. just like the rest of the establishment.
so you have a god given right to live eternally even though that would be contrary to the laws of science that we know? that makes a lot of sense.
or... you believe you have earned a right to spend eternity with a Creator you denigrated for years here on et.
or you believe you are so good you have a right to share in perfection for eternity?
because that is what is implied when you replace forfeit with gift.
2. you forget that our universe appears incredibly designed to those who study physics and one reasonable explanation for that is that we have almost infinite universes. So you can have faith in the infinite universe idea.
another explanation is that someday we will find out it had to be this way. (this is the speculation you go with) But that could also invoke a Creator.
3. or you could look at the one universe we no about and realize it is so non natural (not possibly the work of chance in one universe per science) and say that is evidence of a designer.
4. now your 10 dollar crack is confusing the question of a Creator with the work of misguided or worse people in a particular church.
or... you believe you have earned a right to spend eternity with a Creator you denigrated for years here on et.
or you believe you are so good you have a right to share in perfection for eternity?
because that is what is implied when you replace forfeit with gift.
2. you forget that our universe appears incredibly designed to those who study physics and one reasonable explanation for that is that we have almost infinite universes. So you can have faith in the infinite universe idea.
another explanation is that someday we will find out it had to be this way. (this is the speculation you go with) But that could also invoke a Creator.
3. or you could look at the one universe we no about and realize it is so non natural (not possibly the work of chance in one universe per science) and say that is evidence of a designer.
4. now your 10 dollar crack is confusing the question of a Creator with the work of misguided or worse people in a particular church.
Happily, there is no such irony when a religious person votes Republican, notably for Trump.
Happily, there is no such irony when a religious person votes Republican, notably for Trump.
There are no clean hands in this filthy business.
That's very unfair and unreasonable. I've never stated what if any, my political allegiances are.
You can cast a blank vote to say you don't support the corrupt political system you name , or to show your disagreement with both parties.
So if voting in a democratic system were considered a gift, which it isn't, you can use your reasoning to do what might be thought of as your civic duty, assuage any political conscience you may have and keep your integrity in tact, and then go to the beach.
But at the price and cost of giving up your reasoning and personal integrity as conditions - to get a metaphorical drink of water in the desert, or some so called salvation from a God, or a vote - is too big a price to pay in my opinion.
You can cast a blank vote to say you don't support the corrupt political system you name , or to show your disagreement with both parties.
So if voting in a democratic system were considered a gift, which it isn't, you can use your reasoning to do what might be thought of as your civic duty, assuage any political conscience you may have and keep your integrity in tact, and then go to the beach.
But at the price and cost of giving up your reasoning and personal integrity as conditions - to get a metaphorical drink of water in the desert, or some so called salvation from a God, or a vote - is too big a price to pay in my opinion.