That reminds me of what one of my buds thats black told me (he's funny as f) .... "If you're black and have one headlight... you better be on a f*ckin motorcycle".
Nashville Police Shooting
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That reminds me of what one of my buds thats black told me (he's funny as f) .... "If you're black and have one headlight... you better be on a f*ckin motorcycle".
But neither that post nor any subsequent ones seem to want to wait on evidence before passing judgment.
Aren't you the one that came up with the whole "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comment? I love that phrase, by the way.
It's applicable in this circumstance. Regardless of what happened with the cop, if the perp hadn't tried to flee with a firearm, he'd not have been dead.
That reminds me of what one of my buds thats black told me (he's funny as f) .... "If you're black and have one headlight... you better be on a f*ckin motorcycle".
Yep.
I've spent maybe over a year of my life in the US. I've run into cops maybe four times by myself and another three with adults as a kid. Rich enough, as white as they come and relatively speaking the cops are like glue.
I'd hate to be middle class black there.
Looking at it another couple of times.. yep. He shot him to stop him, there was no immediate threat. The guy runs from the car, pursued around the house and shot in the back.
https://theconversation.com/why-do-american-cops-kill-so-many-compared-to-european-cops-49696
"The Netherlands, Norway and Finland, for example, require police to attend a national academy – a college for cops – for three years. In Norway, over 5,000 applicants recently competed for the 700 annual spots.
Three years affords police ample time to learn to better understand, communicate with and calm distraught individuals. By contrast, in 2006, US police academies provided an average of 19 weeks of classroom instruction."
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Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[2], is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.[1]:563-7
I think the issue will be, as stated above, did the officer have probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant threat. Looking at that video, I have a different answer if the victim is a cartel hit man or someone with an overdue parking fine.
I'm speculating here, but I would bet the report of the stolen car was from someone who knew the victim and informed the police, as such the officer involved knew his priors and knew where to look.
The question is then raised... had he let the suspect flee would the suspect then pose a threat to others. Would it had led to a stand-off somewhere? Probably not.
Here's a running video of the aftermath. What exactly do they place on the ground at exactly 9:30? Right before the photographer runs up... in a big hurry.... seconds before the firetruck...
What is noticeable in most of these I have seen now is how the police seemingly wait for a bleed out. Make sure he is dead, it is cheaper. I'm sure there is a 'procedural' justification however this echoes back to Northern Ireland policing in the 80s.
They guys is shot at 5:30, he is physically checked 2 minutes later exactly.
If it is the case that procedure is to wait for an uninvolved officer to arrive.. dunno..
They guys is shot at 5:30, he is physically checked 2 minutes later exactly.
If it is the case that procedure is to wait for an uninvolved officer to arrive.. dunno..
VZ, you really think that five minutes after the shooting, after 8-9 cops were there, and who knows how many witnesses watching and video recording from the apartment windows, the cop planted a gun on the ground.
Come on. Cops can’t spit without being recorded these days. Must have been a dozen Zapruders videoing on their phones with a dead guy laying there hoping to get some dirt on The Man