Why Can't I Trade with the Trend

Quote from NickelScalper:

If a "trend" does not extend over a minimum range of price, then it can't be distinguished from background noise.

That is correct, that is why I look for pullbacks (reversal points) in the future. Worst thing can happen is that reversal point will not be confirmed and I go for the next one. But price level at that forecasted point is always tradeable. See qqqq at 9:55 est . You could have made couple of nickels in either direction .
 
Quote from easyrider:

Yeah. Theres been a few others, Marketsurfer comes to mind:) I have no problem with somebody not making live calls UNLESS he/she is trying to prove something like a system. It has to work in real time with real trades or it aint real.

Yep. I got no real problem with someone coming on here trying to "Guru" as long as the person will dispense with the mumbo jumbo and show some trades; BEFORE they occur.

I think many "Gurus" are afraid to show some examples because they fear that they will pick one that will not go in the correct direction. Then they risk getting blasted here. The people who really count realize that there are MANY trades that don't pan out.

And I'll even add this. There is, IMO, much validity to what Prof is trying to say concerning "trend". However, if he is going to present himself as a teacher/guru (which, IMO, is exactly what he is doing), then it is incumbent upon him to "put some cards face up on the table"!
 
Quote from Walther:

That is correct, that is why I look for pullbacks (reversal points) in the future. Worst thing can happen is that reversal point will not be confirmed and I go for the next one. But price level at that forecasted point is always tradeable. See qqqq at 9:55 est . You could have made couple of nickels in either direction .
The up or down slope of price on a chart is an effect that does not describe its cause. That is why you can't predict if the cause of an existing "trend" will continue in the future just by looking at effects on the chart.

Once a reversal has been established, its chart doesn't reveal how far the new "trend" will continue.
 
Quote from ProfLogic:


I've attached a little longer term YM to show you that the trend is still down but you have a potential multiple divergence bottom setting up which is a warning for a possible reversal. If the divergence disappears so does the reversal.

Thanks but we trade different time frames. This "trendless" day has produced four trades for me, 1 loser, 2 winners and the fourth is still working in my favor so while your sitting on your butt waiting for perfection I am putting money in the bank.:)
 
Quote from jsp326:

He may not have given a precise entry point/time, but he did say this:
"Right now I'm watching the 1209.75 top. If it fails to breach I'll short to challenge 1202.50. If it breaches, I wait till the failure of support to go long."

Soon after he wrote this the ES challenged 1209.75 and failed to breach it. If he took his short, it looks like he had a pretty good trade.

Just curious, do you give some of your exact entries/exits in real time?

The short off the Failure of 1209.75 @ 1209.50 or 1209.25 was nice even in this ugly consolidation. It stopped short of breaching 1202.50 @ 1203.75 but was still a decent short. The bottom @ 1203.75 confirmed further short term consolidation between 1209.75 & 1203.75. A 6 point range is not much fun but it is nice when you can recognize it quickly as consolidation.
 
Quote from easyrider:

The problem is he did not say "if it fails to breach I will go short at......."

I would post a few real time if he would but its not something I normally do. I have been in chat rooms and posted real time but it does affect your judgement a bit when you have an audience.

My reason for being here is to help. At the time I am doing a number of things at once. If what I said wasn't clear enough, sorry. I use the same "speak" in class and just used to using it.
The ES is consolidating today on a potential bottom. Bottoms or tops don't concern me until they confirm then they give me foundations to trade from. I will tell you what to look for and when it occurs, make your own trading decisions.
 
Quote from easyrider:

Thanks but we trade different time frames. This "trendless" day has produced four trades for me, 1 loser, 2 winners and the fourth is still working in my favor so while your sitting on your butt waiting for perfection I am putting money in the bank.:)

Wow, like I now must cater to you by picking your trades. I made two trades from that top I called when you asked earlier and both were profitable. Considering the consolidation today, it is all I want. If I see another conservative entry I'll take it, if not I won't. I only take conservative trades, being aggressive is foolhearty. If you know the direction price is going, why counter-trend trade. Wait for a repeat performance and buy a ticket.
 
Quote from ProfLogic:

Wow, like I now must cater to you by picking your trades. I made two trades from that top I called when you asked earlier and both were profitable. Considering the consolidation today, it is all I want. If I see another conservative entry I'll take it, if not I won't. I only take conservative trades, being aggressive is foolhearty. If you know the direction price is going, why counter-trend trade. Wait for a repeat performance and buy a ticket.

I apologize. I didnt see the other post. Would you mind giving your entries and exits.
 
Quote from easyrider:

I apologize. I didnt see the other post. Would you mind giving your entries and exits.

12:29 - 1208.50 S
01:36 - 1204.50 Exit

Eye Dr. Appoint. BBL
 
Prof.....

Post an entry.

Post your exit.

THEN add in all your commentary, AFTER you post your exit.

Some of us are busy, too.
 
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