I'm curious as to what you trade, volpri, that you would voice such strong isolationism. Even the smallest slice of the Russell 5000 watch the dollar index and the 24-hour financial world as it turns. How do you *not* think that the U.S. "World Policeman" role (if we might agree that it might've been better done these two decades) is not an important one for our making a living?
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I'm curious as to what you trade, volpri, that you would voice such strong isolationism. Even the smallest slice of the Russell 5000 watch the dollar index and the 24-hour financial world as it turns. How do you *not* think that the U.S. "World Policeman" role (if we might agree that it might've been better done these two decades) is not an important one for our making a living?
it is not our business. I trade the es..nq..
We cannot and should not solve the worlds problem. Our nations founders warned us of this sort of thing. Let that part of the world solve their own problems. We don't need to stick our nose in this. This carries implications for more unrest with Russia...Iran..Hezbollah...etc plus just stir up more muslims to turn against America. Let them solve their problems with their neighbors. Leave them alone. We should not police the world. It stirs up hatred for America and Americans worldwide. If they attack us then yes respond and respond to kick ass and fast. Otherwise, pick our own nose not the nose of others.
We should not promote globalism. We should build up America and let the rest of the world do whatever it is gonna do.
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We're in business to do business. The more business we do, the better off we are. Except, in a free-exchange environment, that works for both sides. "What a happy coincidence!"
In real estate, the old saying is, "Buy the worst house in the neighborhood." The unspoken inverse of that is, "*Don't* buy the best house..." Why? "Neighborhood effects" of the most literal sort!
If you fix up that shithole house, you have a fine house in a fine neighborhood, *and* you have *everyone* looking that much better. That works in business, too.
(To take but one example...) If you stop Somali pirates (about as obscure a stretch of "vital American interests" as we can muster), you make trade with/around Africa easier. India and southern Europe trade more with Africa. African countries are thereby poised to improve. This assists with development in India, as well. BILLIONS of people have improved opportunities to [dream, seek, invent, develop, improve, earn, consume, SPEND]..... and to create demand for products that American companies produce.
I'm sure you've heard this tale before. I don't mean to bore you. But China has certainly heard it the tale, too, and China has been spending 10x what the U.S. has in foreign aid to Africa for more than a decade. They ain't no dummies.
No reason for us to be, either. Unless we are.
How many pointless middle eastern wars have they been involved in? None, the same number we would have been if we weren't dummies. Only I know we aren't dummies. So what possibly could have led us into such a disastrous policy?
If you're saying our execution has been piss-poor, I'd be agreein' entirely. But that's not the sort of non-engagement/isolationism that volpri was pushing.
I'm saying we have no business there. One, it is far from clear where our best interests lie. Would we have been better off if we had left Saddam Hussein in place? It certainly seems so now. Would we have been better off not to have undermined the Shah of Iran and handed the country over to the Ayatollahs? I'd say so. Was it a great idea to undermine Mubarrek in Egypt and watch the muslim brotherhood take over? Obama thought so, I didn't. Neither did the Egyptians. How's that Libyan adventure working out for us now?
Two, and in agreement with your point, our forces are so constrained by the modern law of warfare, our intrusive courts, the world media and various human rights busybodies, that it is impossible for our forces to even protect themselves, much less secure territory and defeat determined enemies. Under those conditions, it is immoral to put them into those situations, particularly when the only objective is teaching someone a lesson or scoring political points.
Your responses read like you wish for constructive engagement through volpri-esque isolationism. Either way, I've posted my thoughts. And thanks for sharing yours.
Every war we fight makes things worse not better. The only war that where we made a real difference was WW2. And those whose hides we saved won't even acknowledge it today.
As far as globalism and economics it doesn't work the way the theory goes as you... @tommahawkginnes...expounded. Have you ever lived any lenght of time in other countries? We used to be respected. The world wanted our goods. If it said "made in the USA" that was synonomous with quality. Now that we stick our nose in everbodies business and pressure them on trade we have created ill will. And quality has gone up in smoke as we chase only the skirt tails of $$$$. No longer are we respected but we are detested. Globalism increases poverty and creates resentment exponentially. Except of course for those pushing it and the politicians. Globalism doesn't work...is a disaster..and a scourge upon planet earth. It doesn't create real opportunities but pseudo opportunities for those that really need them.
As far as globalism and economics it doesn't work the way the theory goes as you... @tommahawkginnes...expounded. Have you ever lived any lenght of time in other countries? We used to be respected. The world wanted our goods. If it said "made in the USA" that was synonomous with quality. Now that we stick our nose in everbodies business and pressure them on trade we have created ill will. And quality has gone up in smoke as we chase only the skirt tails of $$$$. No longer are we respected but we are detested. Globalism increases poverty and creates resentment exponentially. Except of course for those pushing it and the politicians. Globalism doesn't work...is a disaster..and a scourge upon planet earth. It doesn't create real opportunities but pseudo opportunities for those that really need them.