US cities see unexplained rise in violent crimes this year

We are talking about gun violence. You can't possibly condone comparing gun violence and related deaths with other, entirely unrelated crimes. For example a city with drug problems needs to deal with that in its own way and a city/country suffering from gun violence gone Wild West needs to also deal with a different issue that demands separate analysis. We are focusing on deaths, crimes, and violence related to the usage of guns.


Let's simply remove the large US cities which have strict gun control laws (Chicago, New York, D.C., etc.) from the crime statistics.

Once you remove these cities the U.S. had a lower crime rate than every European country as well as Canada. You can look in previous threads for the statistics.

Once again I am traveling to Toronto today - a city that is much more violent than my home in Cary, North Carolina. Cary is regularly on the list of 100 safest cities in America. Why is this you ask -- it is because we have one of the highest percentage of homes owning a gun and generally a middle class population of RTP professionals.

Of course I will pick up the local Toronto papers today to read all about the latest violent crime that occurred over the weekend - since we don't have Mayor Ford to entertain us anymore with his crackhead antics.
 
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Here we are again, Paralysis Central, left vs right, right vs left. How sad all that is left of the United States are elitists lining their pockets at everyone else's expense, a few ideologie demagogues (with zero concern for others but their own convictions), and a few hundred million burger munching and gun slinging idiots in between. (And an isolated tiny minority of the selfless who do have a concern and genuine interest in making things better)

The US will be truly Great Again not when Trump arrives but when people from different political spectrums can again sit down, shake hands, wrap up their sleeves, and go about solving problems together.
 
Here we are again, Paralysis Central, left vs right, right vs left. How sad all that is left of the United States are elitists lining their pockets at everyone else's expense, a few ideologie demagogues (with zero concern for others but their own convictions), and a few hundred million burger munching and gun slinging idiots in between. (And an isolated tiny minority of the selfless who do have a concern and genuine interest in making things better)

The US will be truly Great Again not when Trump arrives but when people from different political spectrums can again sit down, shake hands, wrap up their sleeves, and go about solving problems together.
no. the constitution is not a right wing document. Don't call me right wing because I support the second amendment. What would you call a person who wants to ignore the constitution?
 
You surely like burgers.
as long as they are labeled and packaged in child safe plastic and raised on EPA approved land and bought with foodstamps. otherwise I think the rich eat too many burgers. Besides, burgers too often attract the wrong kind of crowd. It would probably be better for ALL of us if we just outlawed them.
 
you came in here with an inflamatory position an wrote about your superior mind.

Now you want a group hug. you are arguing for the removal of our Constitutional rights and you want us to agree with you and have a group hug? I don't see your logic... at all. We are not going to be great again until the left respects our constitution as they did in the 60s.
The left was once against those trying to remove our liberties.




Here we are again, Paralysis Central, left vs right, right vs left. How sad all that is left of the United States are elitists lining their pockets at everyone else's expense, a few ideologie demagogues (with zero concern for others but their own convictions), and a few hundred million burger munching and gun slinging idiots in between. (And an isolated tiny minority of the selfless who do have a concern and genuine interest in making things better)

The US will be truly Great Again not when Trump arrives but when people from different political spectrums can again sit down, shake hands, wrap up their sleeves, and go about solving problems together.
 
Left right left right yawn. I am neither. I genuinely care about thinking about problems and trying to solve them. I never asked for the removal of constitutional rights. I promote the responsible handling of firearms and a great way to do that would be requiring mandatory training and education similar to a driver's license.

And since when is a superior mind something to be ashamed of?
you came in here with an inflamatory position an wrote about your superior mind.

Now you want a group hug. you are arguing for the removal of our Constitutional rights and you want us to agree with you and have a group hug? I don't see your logic... at all. We are not going to be great again until the left respects our constitution as they did in the 60s.
The left was once against those trying to remove our liberties.
 
You may be really smart... but your post (see below) does not seem to be the product of an informed intellect on this subject for at lest 2 reasons...

1. sometimes constitution rights are more important than individual outcomes. That is why we we have a beyond reasonable doubt standard and tough jury thresholds before we convict people in criminal court. Some guilty people go free to keep innocent people out of jail...

We are granted the right to bear arms even though guns can hurt people.

2. As far as jurisdictions and gun control you statement seems wildly inaccurate to my more informed understanding... for instance...

harvard found...

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/harvard-study-stringent-gun-controls-lead-to-higher-murder-rates/

Comparing the U.S. with England, which banned most guns by the late 1990s, researchers found “a negative correlation” showing “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.”

That’s the same conclusion researchers with the U.S. National Academy of Sciences reached in a 2004 study, as did a U.S. Centers for Disease Control study the year before, Kates and Mauser wrote.

“Armed crime, never a problem in England, has now become one. Handguns are banned but the Kingdom has millions of illegal firearms,” they wrote. “Criminals have no trouble finding them and exhibit a new willingness to use them. In the decade after 1957, the use of guns in serious crime increased a hundredfold. In the late 1990s, England moved from stringent controls to a complete ban on all handguns and many types of long guns. Hundreds of thousands of guns were confiscated from those owners law-abiding enough to turn them in to authorities.”

At the same time, “despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence,” according to the Harvard study.

The narrative about guns contributing to violence in the U.S. is perpetuated by the media in coordination with gun control advocates, according to Scott Bach, president of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs told Belief Net.

“Criminologists of all political persuasions, in over a dozen studies,” writes Bach, “estimate that firearms are used for protection against criminals several hundred thousand to 2.5 million times per year, often without a shot fired. This is a staggering statistic, but it’s not one you are likely to hear on the evening news. Why is it that you don’t hear about the homeowner who defended his family before the police could arrive; or the shopkeeper who saved his own life and the lives of his customers; or the woman who stopped her own rape and murder; or the teacher who stopped the school shooting?”

“Why? A study by the Media Research Center concluded media coverage of firearms is overwhelmingly biased. In a recent period, “television networks collectively aired 514 anti-gun stories, to a mere 46 that were pro-firearm, a ratio of more than 11-to-1 against firearms,” he told the news site.



Well, let's be fair and respect the US constitution. But the constitution and its widely agreed interpretation makes it perfectly clear that the right to bear arms can never be of higher priority than respecting others' freedom as well. That means owning a gun is not more important than preventing harm to others. And here your fact kicks in: In almost all jurisdictions with strict gun controls the crime rate is lower, not higher. If we can prevent more killings with stricter gun controls then it makes a lot of sense to have a reasonable discussion about it.
 
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