Trump supporter calls Black high school kids "f*cking n*iggers"

[kmgilroy89]

let's not go overboard either. It's not like this is 90 year old grandpa telling his son "to help those poor n***rs get their truck stuck out of the mud", or some dudebro cracking racist jokes in private.

The context's pretty clear:

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Hate speech is defined by the Cambridge Dictionary as "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation".[1] Hate speech is "usually thought to include communications of animosity or disparagement of an individual or a group on account of a group characteristic such as race, colour, national origin, sex, disability, religion, or sexual orientation".[2] A legal definition of hate speech varies from country to country.


Hate speech is still protected speech and should remain that way.

The United States does not have hate speech laws, since the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that laws criminalizing hate speech violate the guarantee to freedom of speech contained in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[9]

I don't think calling somebody a racial slang after they do something you don't like qualifies as hate speech in most countries. Here, it seems the actions (the kneeling) are what triggered the response, not their race.

 

[Cuddles]

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Calling black children f*cking n*iggers and hoping they get their asses kicked isn't active hostility or opposition? Ask your black friends,if you have any,is calling their teenage daughters f*cking n*iggers racist.

I don't think calling somebody a racial slang after they do something you don't like qualifies as hate speech in most countries. Here, it seems the actions (the kneeling) are what triggered the response, not their race.

I took it to mean "f*cking n***ers, can't escape their protests, not even HS games", kinda general animosity to the whole kneeling movement.

 

[Cuddles]

I don't think calling somebody a racial slang after they do something you don't like qualifies as hate speech in most countries. Here, it seems the actions (the kneeling) are what triggered the response, not their race.

point is racists' response is black people's own existence, so it doesn't matter what action they take.

 

[Tony Stark]

I took it to mean "f*cking n***ers, can't escape their protests, not even HS games", kinda general animosity to the whole kneeling movement.

But used the most despicable insulting and racist word towards blacks

 

[Tony Stark]

I took it to mean "f*cking n***ers, can't escape their protests, not even HS games", kinda general animosity to the whole kneeling movement.

Are you saying it wasn't racist?

 

[kmgilroy89]

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Calling black children f*cking n*iggers and hoping they get their asses kicked isn't active hostility or opposition? Ask your black friends,if you have any,is calling their teenage daughters f*cking n*iggers racist.

I do have black friends. They will most likely agree with you and we will agree to disagree. They don't think I'm racist, just strange. What they recognize and I hope you recognize is that I'm completely removing feelings and arguing in the abstract here. Statistically speaking, this guy is probably a racist. I'm just saying, it's not logically conclusive. I don't care about this particular person. I'm arguing in the general sense of what racism is and what it isn't. I disagree with how society has approached it. It's become more based on feelings than facts/logic/reason.

 

[Cuddles]

Are you saying it wasn't racist?

au contraire, I'm saying he was being universally racist to black kneeling athletes, not specifically these black athletes.

 

[userque]

Your question proves my point. It's about history. However, the history of what other people did doesn't make you a racist.

I believe I preferenced my question with a disclaimer as to the relevance, or not.
As a result, I haven't proved your point. I asked you a question.

And to address your reply further:

No one here said that the history of what other people did makes you a racist. I believe the definition was clearly posted here.

 

[Tony Stark]

au contraire, I'm saying he was being universally racist to black kneeling athletes, not specifically these black athletes.

Gotcha

 

[userque]

let's not go overboard either. It's not like this is 90 year old grandpa telling his son "to help those poor n***rs get their truck stuck out of the mud", or some dudebro cracking racist jokes in private.

The context's pretty clear:

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Hate speech is defined by the Cambridge Dictionary as "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation".[1] Hate speech is "usually thought to include communications of animosity or disparagement of an individual or a group on account of a group characteristic such as race, colour, national origin, sex, disability, religion, or sexual orientation".[2] A legal definition of hate speech varies from country to country.


Hate speech is still protected speech and should remain that way.

The United States does not have hate speech laws, since the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that laws criminalizing hate speech violate the guarantee to freedom of speech contained in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[9]

Free speech has limits. You know, '... fire in crowded theater ...' etc.

We are free to swing our fist in the air; but when it causes harm, we may be criminally and/or civilly responsible.

Same goes with hate speech against child minds, imo. There are crimes specifically to protect children.