Treyvon Martin issue is starting to irritate the hell out of me

[377OHMS]

Quote from pspr:

The fact is, he committed no crime. All charges against him were dropped. That means 'INNOCENT".

As far as the grand jury, they will come to the same conclusion. Self-defense. Insufficient evidence to charge. It's obvious to any impartial person.

What is outrageous is how black groups are using this tragedy to raise money.

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

You are wasting your time pspr, these guys are idiots and they'll just go on screaming and running in circles no matter what is said. I'm going to ignore them, the Sanford Police is going to ignore them, the Florida State Police is going to ignore them and the DOJ will ignore them as well. They are racists and...well...not too bright.

The lesson for liberals is, don't attack an armed man or better yet...don't attack anyone because they might be armed.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from 377OHMS:

Yes, one thing it says about me is that I am inclined to give the police the benefit of the doubt, that is, I'm willing to place some confidence in their ability to make a determination as to whether a crime has occurred or not.

If there had been any indication that this was a murder then I think the police would have at least detained Zimmerman and conducted interviews at the police station etcetera.

For the police to have simply released Zimmerman and given him his registered weapon means to me that the evidence that they had before them must have been pretty compelling.

I've read post after post in this thread where people seem able to dismiss any of the facts about what occurred and are prepared to convict Zimmerman of murder on the strength of the fact that a black kid was killed by a white man and nothing else.

The Sanford police did not even charge Zimmerman with a crime of any kind, handed his weapon back to him and sent him to the hospital to treat his broken nose and head laceration.

It was clear to them from Zimmeran's own account and the statement by an eyewitness that Martin layed in wait and ambushed Zimmerman as he was walking to his truck. Martin proceed to assault Zimmerman breaking his nose and cutting the back of his head while Zimmerman screamed for help. At some point Zimmerman was able to brandish his weapon and he shot Martin. The stand-your-ground self-defense law in Florida was observed, the weapon was registered and Zimmerman had a permit to carry that weapon in a concealed manner.

Your self-hatred and loathing of all caucasians causes you to dismiss the circumstance of what occurred and to call for murder charges. I'm sure that will not happen. Obama can force the DOJ to charge him with something but I'm pretty confident that he will prevail and that Obama will be shown to harbor the same racisim that you do.

Being stupid and then compounding that with liberal self-hatred has got to make you a very unhappy man. I feel pity towards you but also resentment because I know that your type of people are destroying the values that our country was founded on. It is your type of thinking that caused genocide in places like Cambodia.

I was with you until the last two paragraphs which are unnecessary and indicative of the delusional assumptions that you harbor. The last two sentences is just another example of far-right hysteria that you seem to relish.

 

[pspr]

Quote from 377OHMS:

You are wasting your time pspr, these guys are idiots and they'll just go on screaming and running in circles no matter what is said. I'm going to ignore them, the Sanford Police is going to ignore them, the Florida State Police is going to ignore them and the DOJ will ignore them as well. They are racists and...well...not too bright.

The lesson for liberals is, don't attack an armed man or better yet...don't attack anyone because they might be armed.

It's like chasing your tail. It reminds me of the threads where Jem tries to explain the facts to Stu(pid) but he can't grasp them and it goes on and on with no resolution.

I can now see how difficult it must have been for rational men to form a democracy in the span of human history.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from pspr:

It's like chasing your tail. It reminds me of the threads where Jem tries to explain the facts to Stu(pid) but he can't grasp them and it goes on and on with no resolution.

I can now see how difficult it must have been for rational men to form a democracy in the span of human history.

Its frustrating. To "them" we are Zimmerman *supporters* even though I've said repeatedly that the guy is a reprehensible and scary police wannabe schmuck.

Its about having some respect for the rule of law. I mean, if the fact that a white man killed a black young man overrules the laws that are in place regarding assault, carrying a weapon and using a weapon in self-defense then we are in the dark ages where people were convicted based on the emotions of the towns-people.

I don't know what percentage of the general population is militantly liberal but here in P&R there seems to be an awful lot of them and they seem prepared to dismiss the law in a heartbeat.

I keep coming back to "self-hatred" and "loathing white people" because that is the only mechanism that can explain the fierce and immediate abandonment of the rule of law that people are exhibiting in here. It isn't outrage that a person was killed, it is outrage that a black person was killed by a white person with no consideration of how that happened. Scary.

Makes me want to get on an airplane and go live 13,000 miles away, Oh Wait!, I *am* getting on an airplane to live 13,000 miles away lol.

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from 377OHMS:

Its frustrating. To "them" we are Zimmerman *supporters* even though I've said repeatedly that the guy is a reprehensible and scary police wannabe schmuck.

Its about having some respect for the rule of law. I mean, if the fact that a white man killed and black young man overrules the laws that are in place regarding assault, carrying a weapon and using a weapon in self-defense then we are in the dark ages where people were convicted based on the emotions of the towns-people.

I don't know what percentage of the general population is militantly liberal but here in P&R there seems to be an awful lot of them and they seem prepared to dismiss the law in a heartbeat.

I keep coming back to "self-hatred" and "loathing white people" because that is the only mechanism that can explain the fierce and immediate abandonment of the rule of law that people are exhibiting in here. It isn't outrage that a person was killed, it is outrage that a black person was killed by a white person with no consideration of how that happened. Scary.

Makes me want to get on an airplane and go live 13,000 miles away, Oh Wait!, I *am* getting on an airplane to live 13,000 miles away lol.

Yeah, just keep pushing that "these people who want to see Zimmerman brought to justice" are just "miitant liberal .. self loathing white people" nonsense.

The entire issue in this case is that the police and local DA did not do a proper investigation into the actions of Zimmerman in this case. Due to this the police chief and local DA have been removed from office.

All anyone is asking for on this thread is a proper investigation by competent authorities who will hand their results over to a grand jury. The people on this thread will be quite satisfied with the results from a proper investigation followed by due legal process. We are demanding the rule of law be followed in this case.

All of your supporters have parroted is that Zimmerman is innocent, the case is closed, and no further legal process is necessary. Let me state very clearly that more action and legal process is needed in this case.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from gwb-trading:

Yeah, just keep pushing that "these people who want to see Zimmerman brought to justice" are just "miitant liberal .. self loathing white people" nonsense.

The entire issue in this case is that the police and local DA did not do a proper investigation into the actions of Zimmerman in this case. Due to this the police chief and local DA have been removed from office.

All anyone is asking for on this thread is a proper investigation by competent authorities who will hand their results over to a grand jury. The people on this thread will be quite satisfied with the results from a proper investigation followed by due legal process. We are demanding the rule of law be followed in this case.

All of your supporters have parroted is that Zimmerman is innocent, the case is closed, and no further legal process is necessary. Let me state very clearly that more action and legal process is needed in this case.

To be "brought to justice" means that a crime has occurred. The determination of the authorities is that no crime occurred. QED

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from 377OHMS:

To be "brought to justice" means that a crime has occurred. The determination of the authorities is that no crime occurred. QED

The authorities (police chief and local DA) were removed from office because they FAILED IN THE INVESTIGATION.

The Department of Law Enforcement is investigating and about to pull the certification of the Sanford police department and require the force be disbanded due to "their bias, leadership failures, and inability to operate within the law". The County Sheriff's department will take over policing the town. Does this sound like competent authorities for determining no crime has occurred?

So you are stating now that you are unwilling to have the legal process followed involving a grand jury in this case? This would align with what you and all the other Zimmerman supporters have been regularly stating on this thread. (along with the 'black people hate whitey, "close the case", "he's obviously innocent", "black teenagers in hoodies are all criminals", and the rest of the nonsense).

 

[Spike Trader]

Quote from gwb-trading:

The people on this thread will be quite satisfied with the results from a proper investigation followed by due legal process. We are demanding the rule of law be followed in this case.

and everyone has recourse to the law . . . . and no one kills the children anymore. (Roger Waters - - Pink Floyd )

 

[Mercor]

Will this be the fate of Zimmerman.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank

Leo Max Frank (April 17, 1884 – August 17, 1915) was a Jewish-American factory superintendent whose hanging in 1915 by a lynch mob, planned and led by prominent citizens in Marietta, Georgia, drew attention to antisemitism in the United States.[3]

The superintendent of the National Pencil Company in Atlanta, Frank was convicted on August 26, 1913, of the murder of one of his factory workers, 13-year-old Mary Phagan.

There was jubilation in the streets when Frank was found guilty and sentenced to death. By June 1915 his appeals had failed, but Governor John M. Slaton believed there had been a miscarriage of justice, and commuted the sentence to life imprisonment—to great local outrage. A crowd of 1,200 marched on Slaton's home in protest, and two months later Frank was kidnapped from prison by a lynch mob of 25 armed men who called themselves "Knights of Mary Phagan." Frank was driven 150 miles to Frey's Gin, near Phagan's home in Marietta, and murdered. A crowd gathered after the hanging; one man repeatedly stomped on Frank's face, while others took photographs, pieces of his nightshirt, and bits of the rope to sell as souvenirs.[5]

On March 11, 1986, the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles granted Frank a pardon, citing the state's failure to protect him or prosecute his killers, though they stopped short of exonerating him. The names of Frank's murderers were well-known locally but were not made public until January 7, 2000, when Stephen Goldfarb, an Atlanta librarian and former history professor, published the Phagan-Kean[6] list on his website. The Washington Post writes that it includes several prominent citizens—a former governor, the son of a senator, a Methodist minister, a state legislator, and a former state Superior Court judge—their names matching those on Marietta's street signs, office buildings, shopping centers, and law offices today.[7]

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from gwb-trading:

The authorities (police chief and local DA) were removed from office because they FAILED IN THE INVESTIGATION.

The Department of Law Enforcement is investigating and about to pull the certification of the Sanford police department and require the force be disbanded due to "their bias, leadership failures, and inability to operate within the law". The County Sheriff's department will take over policing the town. Does this sound like competent authorities for determining no crime has occurred?

So you are stating now that you are unwilling to have the legal process followed involving a grand jury in this case? This would align with what you and all the other Zimmerman supporters have been regularly stating on this thread. (along with the 'black people hate whitey, "close the case", "he's obviously innocent", "black teenagers in hoodies are all criminals", and the rest of the nonsense).

No sense in me trying to convince you.

Obama is taking ownership of this and I'll be pleased when it blows up in his face and contributes to his defeat in November.

Maybe we'll see some riots as well. Suits me as it will be a source of entertainment. Its not like I have any reason to be concerned since i am well equiped for such events.