So let's assume that a trader has indeed

have you successfully automate your trading system? at what age a day trader is too old to trade?

Partially automated, mostly the mathematical part of the analysis. Trades are done discretionary within the rules of math.

Age has nothing to do with it. Some people are at the age of 30 already too old, while others at 60 still have the drive and energy to continue. It also depends of the intensity that the trades ask from the trader. Do you have to be concentrated from the opening till the close, do you have to do a lot of discretionary thinking, are your entries not good resulting in a lot of stress because the trade goes far and long in an open loss or not...
All these things can eat a lot of energy and result in a burnout, or a blackout.
The more relax you are the longer you can continue as a daytrader.
 
Guys like that only have insider information as their edge. Not all but the majority. Education is important but so is raw natural talent....talent can take many many different forms

Credibility and background. Large institutions want to see that the manager got experience at related roles in the finance industry, at one or multiple firms.

Maybe family offices and high net worth individuals are more lax.
 
Partially automated, mostly the mathematical part of the analysis. Trades are done discretionary within the rules of math.

Age has nothing to do with it. Some people are at the age of 30 already too old, while others at 60 still have the drive and energy to continue. It also depends of the intensity that the trades ask from the trader. Do you have to be concentrated from the opening till the close, do you have to do a lot of discretionary thinking, are your entries not good resulting in a lot of stress because the trade goes far and long in an open loss or not...
All these things can eat a lot of energy and result in a burnout, or a blackout.
The more relax you are the longer you can continue as a daytrader.
Do you take vacation with no trading at all for a few weeks?
 
I remember when I was trading full time, vacations were hard. I was an independent option MM so I always had inventory. I had to reduce my risk for 2 to 3 trading days, then not make money for a week and the cost of the vacation. When it was slow, the last thing I wanted to do was not make money for two weeks and pay to go away. When work was busy, it was hard to walk away because I was do well. The reality is you have to take time off. You need it and so does your family.

Do you take vacation with no trading at all for a few weeks?
 
I needed about 10 years to become consistently profitable and make enough to quit my job. Every daytrader, successful or not, needs a period that daytrading will cost money and not bring any money, only costs. I call that an investment cost. In any business most people need time before they can live for 100% from the profits generated by their business.
I doubt that you are a successful daytrader, because these daytraders make a multiple of the 20% you mention.



At the start I overestimated myself. Daytrading looked more easy then it was. Over the years I became better and better and I started to UNDERestimate myself. What seemed impossible in the beginning (making at least 2 points ES a day net) became easy. After more than 20 years of daytrading I reached levels that went beyond the level I ever was dreaming of.
Conclusion: Over- and underestimation are changing depending on the evolution of the trader. So they are temporary and can change.



In any profession you need basic knowledge, that you learn at school. Then you have to go to a higher level for more specific knowledge that you need for your future profession.

So when you should start the more specific knowlegde for being a daytrader, you have a problem as this education does not exist. You confuse the lack of this knowledge with not being talented. For part of the wannebee daytraders there is indeed a lack of talent, but for another part there is no lack, just the knowlegde is still missing. This missing knowledge need to be found by the daytrader himself.
What makes the numbers look bad, is the fact that you only need a PC and $500 to start daytrading. There are no other requirements. So basically even the biggest idiot can start as a daytrader. And the last years the number of daytraders went up astronomically because of the low entrey requirements. That same low level entry was the key of the success of trading crypto's. 75% of all wallets have less than $200 value.

I would like to end with a post from someone else:



Yeah, I am not generating enough income for day trading to be my full time job. I have no issues admitting to that. I think you're taking any potential sense of frustration in my post incorrectly. It seems you think I am mad or frustrated because I can't make it. That isn't the case, while I wish I was a lot further along than I am. Not really unhappy at all with the results I've been having lately. Just get's old seeing people mislead others.

Also, I know quite a few successful day traders and for a couple of them it is their primary source of income. Not really seeing where you're directly disagreeing with anything I said... just looks like you're trying to give me lessons that I don't need or already know, maybe someone else will benefit from that though.

As far as you quoting me. You're post does come off to me as if I hit a nerve somewhere in you, not saying it's a big one. But your post does read just a tad bit weird like you're slightly coming at me in an odd way or again like I hit a nerve, but maybe that's just me. So, I still think that quote applies more to you, than me. Again just my opinion it's fine if we differ.

At any rate that's excellent that you have done well. I am sorry if what I said offended you or struck a nerve.

Have a good trading week and trade well :)
 
@virtusa oh man... I really don't want to get into a debate but I just caught something you said that really makes no sense.

Like what do you mean the 20 % that I mentioned? Like you do realize other people mentioned it first and I was just saying if you ONLY make 20% as a day trader you can starve..... yet you're quoting me and talking to me like I don't know that's a very low amount for a skilled day trader to make when that was my entire point? Like what are you talking about? I am genuinely not following you.
 
If someone actually figures out a edge, a good trader will be able to spot it without a long period of testing.

Most con men backtest , then pray a forward test works by luck so they can sell their worthless crap to the sucker

There, now go to it
 
If you could guarantee investors 10%/year, you couldn't handle all the money that would come pouring in!

My post wasn't abotu guarantees.

Those are investors EXPECTATIONS. And then the game begins whether you can convince them to meet those expectations.
 
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