Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

[piezoe]

You may not be a democrat, but you are a liberal.

Yes, of course, in the classical sense. I am a libertarian and a liberal !

Libertarians seek autonomy, freedom of choice, and the primacy of individual judgement. And so do classical Liberals, of course. We also tend to be fiscally conservative. But I am not a crackpot, tea party Ron Paul libertarian, or even a Democrat liberal. I'm a libertarian liberal. You however are not really a libertarian, you are an radical with anarchist tendencies. What you espouse would result in the end of personal freedom. Read Thomas Hobbes.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

piezoe, I wanted to address the issue of police brutality, etc. The idea that conservatives have no interest in this is wrong. We see the biggest threat to individual liberty coming from government, specifically out of control prosecutors and avaricious or violent police. You may recall our late brother Lucrum had a lengthy thread on this issue.

There is clearly a split in conservative/republican ranks. Many, the Hannity's et al, go weak in the knees at the sight of a badge or uniform and will defend the police no matter what. Others are appalled by the police abuses, ranging from violence to asset forfeitures. I fully understand that the race hustlers are out to exploit every situation, but it does seem to me that police should be able to arrest an unarmed man without killing him. There are far too many instances of disturbed people getting shot when patience and common sense might have resulted in a better outcome.

I do support aggressive policing and the broken window school of going after minor quality of life offenses. One need only compare th NYC of the 1970's and the post-Guiliana NYC to see what a difference it makes.

 

[377OHMS]

Well it appears that Freddie beat his own head against the rear door of the police vehicle (the coroner says his head wound matches the latch on the door of the police vehicle) according to the other prisoner in the vehicle. That blow apparently broke his neck.

So it looks like Baltimore was torn up based on false information. I expect Al Sharpton to issue full apologies live on television any moment now...



or not...

 

[der_kommissar]

Violence does not originate with some news you Dickhead. It originates for a livelong depravity of equal opportunities. Are you conservatives really that dumb to see this?

This isn't 1965 you stupid fuck.

 

[volpunter]

exactly, this is 2015 and you still do not seem to have learned from the past that racial segregation does not work. The second you offer as equal opportunities as reasonably possible is the moment when those at the bottom actually see a fighting chance to make a living through hard work and best efforts. At the moment why should there be an incentive for the disenfranchised to put in any effort?

This isn't 1965 you stupid fuck.

 

[volpunter]

really? A guy gets shoved into a police van and he decides to kill himself? The original police report already contradict itself at many points. The stops the van allegedly made in the first reports are already proven incorrect. Are you seriously assuming everything went according to protocol?

Well it appears that Freddie beat his own head against the rear door of the police vehicle (the coroner says his head wound matches the latch on the door of the police vehicle) according to the other prisoner in the vehicle. That blow apparently broke his neck.

So it looks like Baltimore was torn up based on false information. I expect Al Sharpton to issue full apologies live on television any moment now...



or not...

 

[futurecurrents]

Yes, of course, in the classical sense. I am a libertarian and a liberal !

Libertarians seek autonomy, freedom of choice, and the primacy of individual judgement. And so do classical Liberals, of course. We also tend to be fiscally conservative. But I am not a crackpot, tea party Ron Paul libertarian, or even a Democrat liberal. I'm a libertarian liberal. You however are not really a libertarian, you are an radical with anarchist tendencies. What you espouse would result in the end of personal freedom. Read Thomas Hobbes.

Like a Koch bros Libertarian?

 

[futurecurrents]

Well it appears that Freddie beat his own head against the rear door of the police vehicle (the coroner says his head wound matches the latch on the door of the police vehicle) according to the other prisoner in the vehicle. That blow apparently broke his neck.

So it looks like Baltimore was torn up based on false information. I expect Al Sharpton to issue full apologies live on television any moment now...



or not...

Well it appears that as usual, you are laughably deluded and wrong.

 

[377OHMS]

Well it appears that as usual, you are laughably deluded and wrong.

Nonsense.

They've torn up their own town over *nothing* and now it is coming out that the leftist mayor deliberately let the looting occur. That is going to cost the left big-time.

It will be generations before anyone opens a significant business in that town.

 

[jsp326]

Violence does not originate with some news you Dickhead. It originates for a livelong depravity of equal opportunities. Are you conservatives really that dumb to see this?

Hogwash. People have come here off boats with nothing, worked very hard, put their kids through college and had doctors, lawyers and businessmen by the next generation. And some work their way out of the ghetto. Violence is a choice. And blacks in recent generations have more opportunities than other races in many ways. "Poverty creates crime" is a tired old myth that won't go away.

Of course, this poster is likely an academic or gov't employee who profits from "equal opportunities" (i.e., tax money).