Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

Well it appears that Freddie beat his own head against the rear door of the police vehicle (the coroner says his head wound matches the latch on the door of the police vehicle) according to the other prisoner in the vehicle. That blow apparently broke his neck.

So it looks like Baltimore was torn up based on false information. I expect Al Sharpton to issue full apologies live on television any moment now...



or not...

At this point, I am going to wait for the facts to come out on this case.

Based on the evidence at this moment it appears the cops took Freddy for a rough joyride in the van that ended up with the man's injuries. They probably did this because they had to deal with Freddy many times in the past and he was always violently resisting arrest. It appears their "lesson" to Freddy backfired.

The second passenger in the van was picked up at the final stop before the police station. The second guy was only in the van for five minutes and was a non-violent individual who cooperated so the final five minutes of the ride were not rough. It was likely that he heard Freddie flopping around in pain on the floor of the van. Of course, this guy could not see Freddy, only hear him.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. I was wrong initially in the Trayvon Martin case until the actual facts came out. I expect the police have plenty of video from around Baltimore and will be able to determine if the van was driving wildly or not. I expect the report to the prosecutor will provide plenty of additional information when released.
 
At this point, I am going to wait for the facts to come out on this case.

Based on the evidence at this moment it appears the cops took Freddy for a rough joyride in the van that ended up with the man's injuries. They probably did this because they had to deal with Freddy many times in the past and he was always violently resisting arrest. It appears their "lesson" to Freddy backfired.

The second passenger in the van was picked up at the final stop before the police station. The second guy was only in the van for five minutes and was a non-violent individual who cooperated so the final five minutes of the ride were not rough. It was likely that he heard Freddie flopping around in pain on the floor of the van. Of course, this guy could not see Freddy, only hear him.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. I was wrong initially in the Trayvon Martin case until the actual facts came out. I expect the police have plenty of video from around Baltimore and will be able to determine if the van was driving wildly or not. I expect the report to the prosecutor will provide plenty of additional information when released.

If it went down like that it is murder or at a minimum it is manslaughter.
 
I most likely have many more years of investment banking and hedge fund trading experience and way better education than you do. Just pointing out as you mentioned it. So no, I am as pragmatic as it gets.

I never said poverty creates crimes. I said poverty and lack of opportunities in the US very highly correlate. And poverty provides a breeding ground for extremism that may express itself in anger and violence. How can this possibly be a myth when you can see exactly the same in every disenfranchised area around the world, whether it be certain areas in Rio, Tondo in Manila, areas in Osaka and Kobe, inner cities in the US...the list goes on.

Hogwash. People have come here off boats with nothing, worked very hard, put their kids through college and had doctors, lawyers and businessmen by the next generation. And some work their way out of the ghetto. Violence is a choice. And blacks in recent generations have more opportunities than other races in many ways. "Poverty creates crime" is a tired old myth that won't go away.

Of course, this poster is likely an academic or gov't employee who profits from "equal opportunities" (i.e., tax money).
 
I intentionally left out places like Palestine and Afghanistan because the sources of extremism there are to be found as a mixture of poverty and religion.

I most likely have many more years of investment banking and hedge fund trading experience and way better education than you do. Just pointing out as you mentioned it. So no, I am as pragmatic as it gets.

I never said poverty creates crimes. I said poverty and lack of opportunities in the US very highly correlate. And poverty provides a breeding ground for extremism that may express itself in anger and violence. How can this possibly be a myth when you can see exactly the same in every disenfranchised area around the world, whether it be certain areas in Rio, Tondo in Manila, areas in Osaka and Kobe, inner cities in the US...the list goes on.
 
The US judicial and law enforcement system is largely punitive. Baltimore had a problem with officers taking suspects on 'rough rides', purposefully not restraining suspects inside the vehible and jerking the car around sharp turns and slamming on the breaks, to injure suspects. This is why Baltimore implemented a seat-belt policy for the arrested traveling with police. Whether or not the veracity of the other prisoner can be trusted, I don't know. Like GMST said, whether he witnessed the entire ride of Freddie Gray, I don't know.

Rodney King is a perfect example of American punitive justice and the corruption of the court system. Conservatives say 'he deserved it'. He was a crack dealer. Changes nothing....6 cops beat this guy on the ground for ten minutes when they could have easily cuffed him in 20 seconds. Everything after that 20 seconds was punitive. How those cops walked is beyond me.

Does that justify riots? No. Two wrongs don't make a right. American blacks are in a mess created by their own design. I have almost no sympathy for them. But that doesn't mean Freddie Gray wasn't the victim of premediated police brutality. And Freddie may have been a piece of shit human being himself. Doesn't matter. Our system is not supposed to be punitive. Our Government and law enforcement and courts DON'T have the power to exact cruel and unusual punishment. It's unconstitutional for a reason. Letting cops and judges decide to torture people is NOT indicative of a free society. But Americans don't really care about freedom. They like seeing people getting tortured, so long as it for a good cause. Afterall, he was a just a fucking nigger, felon etc etc. That's how it's rationalized. It says alot about who we are as a people when we do this to our own people, and turn a blind eye to it.
 
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The US judicial and law enforcement system is largely punitive. Baltimore had a problem with officers taking suspects on 'rough rides', purposefully not restraining suspects inside the vehible and jerking the car around sharp turns and slamming on the breaks, to injure suspects. This is why Baltimore implemented a seat-belt policy for the arrested traveling with police. Whether or not the veracity of the other prisoner can be trusted, I don't know. Like GMST said, whether he witnessed the entire ride of Freddie Gray, I don't know.

Rodney King is a perfect example of American punitive justice and the corruption of the court system. Conservatives say 'he deserved it'. He was a crack dealer. Changes nothing....6 cops beat this guy on the ground for ten minutes when they could have easily cuffed him in 20 seconds. Everything after that 20 seconds was punitive. How those cops walked is beyond me.

Does that justify riots? No. Two wrongs don't make a right. American blacks are in a mess created by their own design. I have almost no sympathy for them. But that doesn't mean Freddie Gray wasn't the victim of premediated police brutality. And Freddie may have been a piece of shit human being himself. Doesn't matter. Our system is not supposed to be punitive. Our Government and law enforcement and courts DON'T have the power to exact cruel and unusual punishment. It's unconstitutional for a reason. Letting cops and judges decide to torture people is NOT indicative of a free society. But Americans don't really care about freedom. They like seeing people getting tortured, so long as it for a good cause. Afterall, he was a just a fucking nigger, felon etc etc. That's how it's rationalized. It says alot about who we are as a people when we do this to our own people, and turn a blind eye to it.
 
opportunities decline as countries become less capitalist and more regulations are put in place. e.g. a hairdresser or any regulated profession from one state cannot practice their craft in another state without repeating examinations and education in the new state. the burden falls harder on the least educated groups.
 
I most likely have many more years of investment banking and hedge fund trading experience and way better education than you do. Just pointing out as you mentioned it. So no, I am as pragmatic as it gets.

I never said poverty creates crimes. I said poverty and lack of opportunities in the US very highly correlate. And poverty provides a breeding ground for extremism that may express itself in anger and violence. How can this possibly be a myth when you can see exactly the same in every disenfranchised area around the world, whether it be certain areas in Rio, Tondo in Manila, areas in Osaka and Kobe, inner cities in the US...the list goes on.

it is too bad your "better" education did not prepare you for making relatively simple mathematical calculation of the trade killing effects of a financial transaction tax.
 
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