Ok, people who are against gun control are going to hate me for this one.

If all guns could only have one bullet, the very same argument could be made about an invention of guns that have a cartridge with multiple bullets. oh my god! they don't even have to reload! that makes it too easy! it should be against the law!

it's the very same argument being made here. it makes it easy.


If you're a single believer in free speech and fifty of those antifa people come at you carrying weapons, you need it to be as easy as possible to defend yourself.
 
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What makes it moral or immoral is whether it was used in self defense. Not how fast you could shoot. A single shot firearm is immoral if it's used to murder.


Last night the house passed an anti abortion bill making it illegal to perform one after twenty weeks of pregnancy. I read only three democrats voted for it.
A common sense abortion bill that democrats would not support will not prevent those same democrats from claiming that anyone against a common sense gun bill is evil.
 
What makes it moral or immoral is whether it was used in self defense. Not how fast you could shoot. A single shot firearm is immoral if it's used to murder.


This is probably the only area i will differ from the right, what makes this one different is two things, 1 you cant have people with the ability to mow people down with fully automatics, if you leave that door open mass shootings are going to get bigger and bigger.

2. You can have someone just spraying bullets indiscriminately in self defense, if your firing bullets off at the speed of a fully automatic there is going to be casualties just like gang shootings where the neighbor takes a bullet because someone is spraying them.
 
The gov't has fully auto weapons to supposedly defend people. If it's immoral for the public to defend with an auto weapon then it must be immoral for them to defend with an auto weapon. Theirs will kill innocent bystanders too.
 
Stocks that modify guns to give the gun a faster fire rate have been around for quite some time. All of a sudden now they are an issue because some idiot employed one. You can make them illegal if you wish, but that won't stop folks from using a method to accelerate gun fire should they want to employ one, Max. Did you know you can 3D print one of these stocks? Most avid gun users don't use them except for target practice fun because they make aiming extremely difficult. This is why soldiers in combat switch to burst or single fire settings in many situations - because automatic fire really only serves well as suppressive fire. And to waste ammunition.

The ship has sailed on any type of "gun control" initiatives. Oh sure, you could put a law into effect to confiscate firearms and some folks would comply. Many would not and they'd find ways around the ban. I personally own several guns that cannot be traced to me in any database. This is not because I plan on committing any crime - that would be the last thing I would ever do. But because if someone came knocking at the door to collect firearms, I wouldn't have to surrender those.

Let me say that I would gladly give up all of my guns tomorrow if I knew everyone else was going to do the same. Gladly. But short of some magic wand solution, that will never happen. There are just too many firearms on the streets in this country.

Ricter once asked me why it can work for airports but not the country. I told him that this was obvious. Airports had been "cleaned" of all weapons and then you have a safe area. You'd have to empty the whole country and clean it before you could do the same thing in the country. There are numerous examples of countries with extremely strict gun laws and murders that occur there.

Find the cause of the problem causing folks to shoot people. Don't focus on the gun (or the stock, or the magazine, or whatever). People will just use knives or trucks or whatever if they want to kill.
 
High capacity magazines are a better place to start than bump stocks. Hard to imagine why average Joe needs all this capacity, but take them away and a black market will be created. We can legislate all we want taking weapons and accessories off the market, but you just can't legislate behavior. Isn't anyone doing mass murder by accident. It's a very complex social problem and it will get worse as our society gets more and more detached from reality via social media, news media, hard left and right indoctrination, and a criminally corrupt government that does not represent the best interests of the people.
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Well the argument is there are laws against murder so we don't need any gun regulations.

The problem with that is most of these mass shooters don't survive past the event.
 
You can three D print just about anything cant you? Like i said before i feel like there should be an easy solution to this, this should not be possible, there is no reason even in self defense to desire the ability to spray bullets like that. Like i said ive always respected your opinion, but i just cant think of a single scenario where it is beneficial for someone to be able to bump fire a gun, unless they are in a war zone. I could be wrong here, i often am, but i really want to hear an argument as to why guns should be like this, i dont know shit aboout guns so i legitimately want to hear why we would need a gun set up to just spray bullets like that indiscriminately.

In my head i just cant get over the fact that i think it would be insane if someone was bump firing a gun and gdoing that in an urban neighborhood and just shooting bullets whereever the fuck they go in the supposed name of "Defending themselves"

Like picture a scenario where some dude walks through the front door and then someone just opens fire in self defense with a machine gun and no discretion as to wear those bullets go.


Stocks that modify guns to give the gun a faster fire rate have been around for quite some time. All of a sudden now they are an issue because some idiot employed one. You can make them illegal if you wish, but that won't stop folks from using a method to accelerate gun fire should they want to employ one, Max. Did you know you can 3D print one of these stocks? Most avid gun users don't use them except for target practice fun because they make aiming extremely difficult. This is why soldiers in combat switch to burst or single fire settings in many situations - because automatic fire really only serves well as suppressive fire. And to waste ammunition.

The ship has sailed on any type of "gun control" initiatives. Oh sure, you could put a law into effect to confiscate firearms and some folks would comply. Many would not and they'd find ways around the ban. I personally own several guns that cannot be traced to me in any database. This is not because I plan on committing any crime - that would be the last thing I would ever do. But because if someone came knocking at the door to collect firearms, I wouldn't have to surrender those.

Let me say that I would gladly give up all of my guns tomorrow if I knew everyone else was going to do the same. Gladly. But short of some magic wand solution, that will never happen. There are just too many firearms on the streets in this country.

Ricter once asked me why it can work for airports but not the country. I told him that this was obvious. Airports had been "cleaned" of all weapons and then you have a safe area. You'd have to empty the whole country and clean it before you could do the same thing in the country. There are numerous examples of countries with extremely strict gun laws and murders that occur there.

Find the cause of the problem causing folks to shoot people. Don't focus on the gun (or the stock, or the magazine, or whatever). People will just use knives or trucks or whatever if they want to kill.
 
If someone is shooting at me, i'm pretty sure i would feel like i was in a war zone.

If the rounds just indiscriminately go wherever they go, then why do cops on swat teams have them? Don't they want to hit a target?
 
You can three D print just about anything cant you? Like i said before i feel like there should be an easy solution to this, this should not be possible, there is no reason even in self defense to desire the ability to spray bullets like that. Like i said ive always respected your opinion, but i just cant think of a single scenario where it is beneficial for someone to be able to bump fire a gun, unless they are in a war zone. I could be wrong here, i often am, but i really want to hear an argument as to why guns should be like this, i dont know shit aboout guns so i legitimately want to hear why we would need a gun set up to just spray bullets like that indiscriminately.

In my head i just cant get over the fact that i think it would be insane if someone was bump firing a gun and gdoing that in an urban neighborhood and just shooting bullets whereever the fuck they go in the supposed name of "Defending themselves"

Like picture a scenario where some dude walks through the front door and then someone just opens fire in self defense with a machine gun and no discretion as to wear those bullets go.

Max,

I'm not saying anyone needs a bump stock. I'm saying you cannot legislate the removal of them. That's all. I agree that there should be no application in today's non-military society for such things. I wouldn't even use one if I could, because it significantly reduces aim and wastes ammo, as I said.
 
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