New Coronavirus Variant (Omicron; B.1.1529) a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

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That was a lot of misdirection to hide your admission that you were lying about the breakthrough infection rate.

a. I did not claim the KF was not a large data base. The KF database is simply not capable of providing us with an accurate breakthrough infection rate. You were ignorantly relying upon it to make a false claim about breakthrough infection rates.


b. I did not ignore undetected infections.
Why would you lie about part of my argument?
I wrote, "Potentially millions of people had breakthrough infections who were never tested."

Still tossing out nonsense, eh? The CDC and KFF data set is one of the largest in the world in terms the number of people tracked for vaccinated breakthrough cases even though it does not include all 50 states.

Let's walk through the reality...

You ignore the undetected infections (which the level is only estimated and not proven) among the unvaccinated when pushing your nonsense. And it is likely that the unvaccinated have a much greater percentage of undetected infections than the vaccinated. If you are doing ratios -- then you will need to adjust information when comparing the two groups. But let's more narrowly focus on estimated vaccinated breakthrough infections which are not reported as a case.

Seeing that the current estimated number of infections in western countries is 2 to 3 estimated infections to each detected case. It may be possible that the percentage of of estimated vaccinated but unproven breakthrough infections to be as high as 2% (0.5% proven and 1.5% (3 for 1) estimated) in an environment where the virus is highly prevalent. I will still note this estimated Covid breakthrough infection rate of 2% is still below the vaccinated breakthrough rate of over 3% for measles, mumps, and most other diseases in a population where the disease is highly prevalent.

Bottom Line: The Covid vaccines are performing much better in vaccinated breakthrough case rate in a highly disease prevalent environment than most other vaccines. The entire wrinkle in the situation right now is if Omicron will increase the vaccinated breakthrough case rate -- since many experts believe Omicron will be more vaccine evasive in regards to protecting against infection.

 

[Tony Stark]

Any full studies on people who already had covid?

 

[gwb-trading]

Any full studies on people who already had covid?

Plenty of studies on Long Covid.

As well as many on re-infections.

 

[gwb-trading]

That was a lot of misdirection to hide your admission that you were lying about the breakthrough infection rate.

a. I did not claim the KF was not a large data base. The KF database is simply not capable of providing us with an accurate breakthrough infection rate. You were ignorantly relying upon it to make a false claim about breakthrough infection rates.


b. I did not ignore undetected infections.
Why would you lie about part of my argument?
I wrote, "Potentially millions of people had breakthrough infections who were never tested."

Whatever Jem.

Welcome back. Enjoy pushing your Covid-denier bullshiat. We are tired of this nonsense at this point.

BTW -- the CDC and KFF database information is the largest publicly available database on Covid vaccinated breakthrough cases on the face of the planet in terms of the number of people covered.

 

[Tony Stark]

As well as many on re-infections.

Isn't re-infection rate around 1%?

 

[Tsing Tao]

We are tired of this nonsense at this point.

Who is "we"?

Speak for yourself. I don't have a problem with his posts.

 

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Isn't re-infection rate around 1%?

With earlier variants the proven case re-infection rate appears to be about 1% from the information I have seen in studies. Note this rate is still higher than the rate of those getting infected with breakthrough cases after getting vaccinated. Also noting that those with a mild first infection tended to have a higher re-infection rate than those who had a severe first infection.

With Omicron we do not know what the re-infection rate is - however doctors in South Africa are stating it is higher.

 

[Tony Stark]

With earlier variants the proven case re-infection rate appears to be about 1% from the information I have seen in studies. Note this rate is still higher than the rate of those getting infected with breakthrough cases after getting vaccinated. Also noting that those with a mild first infection tended to have a higher re-infection rate than those who had a severe first infection.

With Omicron we do not know what the re-infection rate is - however doctors in South Africa are stating it is higher.

Keep us updated.

I still have yet to personally know of anyone who has gotten it twice

 

[wrbtrader]

Any full studies on people who already had covid?

There will be more studies of Covid reinfections but most of them will be out of South Africa or Africa or other countries studying the data from that country.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/health/omicron-south-africa-reinfection-study/index.html

I'm confident that Omicron will be the most studied Variant of Concern than any prior mutation because it has the ability to reinfect those that had prior Covid infection of another variant mutation and cause breakthrough infection of those that have waning vaccine immunity.

The latter mainly mild symptoms...its actually a good thing. Unfortunately, hospitalization is still rising via those not vaccinated.

wrbtrader

 

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With earlier variants the proven case re-infection rate appears to be about 1% from the information I have seen in studies. Note this rate is still higher than the rate of those getting infected with breakthrough cases after getting vaccinated. Also noting that those with a mild first infection tended to have a higher re-infection rate than those who had a severe first infection.

With Omicron we do not know what the re-infection rate is - however doctors in South Africa are stating it is higher.

Unsubstantiated lies.

The data and studies from all over the world show that natural immunity is far superior to fully vaccinated immunity as can be seen in our best data set from Israel in which natural immunity was 7 to 13 times better.

However there may be a time where natural immunity plus one shot provides the best protection for a few months.


If you are going to cite the CDC study understand that was a misleading data set of hospitalized people during a time period when post vaccination antibodies would be the highest.

Just about every other study in the world has shown natural immunity to be far superior.