New Coronavirus Variant (Omicron; B.1.1529) a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

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There are only two studies I am aware of that are used to attempt to claim that natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity. One of of them is the study from Israel -- which you constantly misrepresent -- the study states that the best protection is achieved by a combination of at least one vaccination along with a natural infection.

There are dozens of mainstream studies by scientists and governments at this point showing vaccination provides better protection than "natural immunity"

Listen Jem -- you are just pushing the same debunked nonsense. Give it up.

You area a science denier.

Here is what the science and data we have tells us.

a. Natural Immunity and one shot (until the antibodies wane) did best.
b. Natural Immunity lasts longer and is stronger than 2 doses (7 to 13 times better per the gold standard study)
c. Two shots work well for 3 to 6 months then their antibodies begin to wane significantly.
This leaves the high risk with deficient protection.
The low risk, of course, still have their natural immune systems T cells and memory B Cells and perhaps cross immunity and other mechanisms.



Below is the core part of the best study we have.
That you denigrate the best study we have, shows you to be a dishonest science denying troll.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
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"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

 

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Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

Eat Right, Get Outdoors, Get Some Exercise, Practice Good Hygene.
Be Really Really Scared All the Time, Give Up Your Rights, Be Bossy and Controlling. Select 4

 

[Cuddles]

You area a science denier.

Here is what the science and data we have tells us.

a. Natural Immunity and one shot (until the antibodies wane) did best.
b. Natural Immunity lasts longer and is stronger than 2 doses (7 to 13 times better per the gold standard study)
c. Two shots work well for 3 to 6 months then their antibodies begin to wane significantly.
This leaves the high risk with deficient protection.
The low risk, of course, still have their natural immune systems T cells and memory B Cells and perhaps cross immunity and other mechanisms.



Below is the core part of the best study we have.
That you denigrate the best study we have, shows you to be a dishonest science denying troll.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
...

"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

give it up Jem, natural herd immunity is for losers

 

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You area a science denier.

Here is what the science and data we have tells us.

a. Natural Immunity and one shot (until the antibodies wane) did best.
b. Natural Immunity lasts longer and is stronger than 2 doses (7 to 13 times better per the gold standard study)
c. Two shots work well for 3 to 6 months then their antibodies begin to wane significantly.
This leaves the high risk with deficient protection.
The low risk, of course, still have their natural immune systems T cells and memory B Cells and perhaps cross immunity and other mechanisms.



Below is the core part of the best study we have.
That you denigrate the best study we have, shows you to be a dishonest science denying troll.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
...

"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

Still pushing "natural immunity" nonsense on the basis of a single pre-print study which has been heavily criticized, eh? Still beating that dead horse. Maybe you should refer to one or two of the many fact checks about this Israeli study.

Let's take a look at just at a couple of the many mainstream studies showing vaccinated immunity is better than "natural immunity" for Covid.

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
Study participants were over 5 times more likely to have COVID-19 if they were unvaccinated and had a prior infection
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.


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Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibody protection in small study of Pfizer vaccine recipients

• Prof. Alex Sigal with the Africa Health Research Institute and a team of scientists tested blood samples of 12 people who’d previously been vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
• They found a 41-fold in drop in the ability of their antibodies to neutralize the omicron variant compared to the original virus.
• The preprint study has not yet been peer reviewed and it tested 14 plasma samples from 12 vaccinated people, 6 of whom were previously infected.

That is an interesting way to state Omicron has mutated around vaccine induced antibodies in less than a year. That is very concerning.Additionally we just saw news that Omicron was found in test samples from October in Nigeria. So it was probably not from a particular Aids patient in S.A.


Don't worry folks GWB tells us nothing can go wrong with vaccinating people during a pandemic.

 

[Wallet]

You area a science denier.

Here is what the science and data we have tells us.

a. Natural Immunity and one shot (until the antibodies wane) did best.
b. Natural Immunity lasts longer and is stronger than 2 doses (7 to 13 times better per the gold standard study)
c. Two shots work well for 3 to 6 months then their antibodies begin to wane significantly.
This leaves the high risk with deficient protection.
The low risk, of course, still have their natural immune systems T cells and memory B Cells and perhaps cross immunity and other mechanisms.



Below is the core part of the best study we have.
That you denigrate the best study we have, shows you to be a dishonest science denying troll.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
...

"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

Oops there goes the narrative

 

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give it up Jem, natural herd immunity is for losers

You got data to go with that claim?

 

[Cuddles]

That is an interesting way to state Omicron has mutated around vaccine induced antibodies in less than a year.

That is very concerning.

Additionally we I just saw news that Omicron was found in test samples from October in Nigeria. So it was probably not from a particular Aides patient in S.A.


Don't worry folks GWB tells us nothing can go wrong with vaccinating people during a pandemic.

Jem confirmed

 

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Additionally we I just saw news that Omicron was found in test samples from October in Nigeria. So it was probably not from a particular Aides patient in S.A.

Nigeria put the wrong date on the samples. They were from November. Wish I could provide a link.

 

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You are posting a Kentucky study from May–June 2021. The very strongest time of antibody protections, just before they began to wane.

The CDC study was even more cherry picked and does not show that vaccine immunity is stronger regardless of the headline.

Experts identify potential bias in CDC natural immunity study

Despite the conclusion one might draw from Walensky’s tweet, the CDC study isn’t designed to answer the question of whether vaccine immunity or natural immunity is superior. Harvard Medical School professor Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist and biostatistician who now serves as senior scientific director of Brownstone Institute, writes that the study instead answers the question of “whether vaccination or Covid recovery is more related to Covid hospitalization or if it is more related to other respiratory type hospitalizations."
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There is both a relationship between being vaccinated/recovered and Covid hospitalization and a relationship between being vaccinated/recovered and non-Covid hospitalization,” Kulldorff continues. “Rather than evaluate the first one, which is of intense interest for health policy, the CDC study evaluates the contrast between the two, which is not particularly interesting.

The CDC study also appears to conflict with a major Israeli study from August. That study showed unvaccinated people with natural immunity had far greater protection than vaccinated people without natural immunity. Specifically, the vaccinated group was 13 times more likely to experience a future infection and 27 times more likely to experience a symptomatic future infection.


https://katv.com/news/coronavirus/experts-identify-potential-bias-in-cdc-natural-immunity-study

Still pushing "natural immunity" nonsense on the basis of a single pre-print study which has been heavily criticized, eh? Still beating that dead horse. Maybe you should refer to one or two of the many fact checks about this Israeli study.

Let's take a look at just at a couple of the many mainstream studies showing vaccinated immunity is better than "natural immunity" for Covid.

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
Study participants were over 5 times more likely to have COVID-19 if they were unvaccinated and had a prior infection
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.