New Coronavirus Variant (Omicron; B.1.1529) a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

[Tony Stark]

Unsubstantiated lies.

The data and studies from all over the world show that natural immunity is far superior to fully vaccinated immunity as can be seen in our best data set from Israel in which natural immunity was 7 to 13 times better.

However there may be a time where natural immunity plus one shot provides the best protection for a few months.


If you are going to cite the CDC study understand that was a misleading data set of hospitalized people during a time period when post vaccination antibodies would be the highest.

Just about every other study in the world has shown natural immunity to be far superior.

That was my understanding as well.

BTW,are you Jem?

 

[ipatent]

That was a lot of misdirection to hide your admission that you were lying about the breakthrough infection rate.

a. I did not claim the KF was not a large data base. The KF database is simply not capable of providing us with an accurate breakthrough infection rate. You were ignorantly relying upon it to make a false claim about breakthrough infection rates.


b. I did not ignore undetected infections.
Why would you lie about part of my argument?
I wrote, "Potentially millions of people had breakthrough infections who were never tested."

Glad to see they've moved on to someone else besides me in the search for Jem.

 

[gwb-trading]

Unsubstantiated lies.

The data and studies from all over the world show that natural immunity is far superior to fully vaccinated immunity as can be seen in our best data set from Israel in which natural immunity was 7 to 13 times better.

However there may be a time where natural immunity plus one shot provides the best protection for a few months.


If you are going to cite the CDC study understand that was a misleading data set of hospitalized people during a time period when post vaccination antibodies would be the highest.

Just about every other study in the world has shown natural immunity to be far superior.

There are only two studies I am aware of that are used to attempt to claim that natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity. One of of them is the study from Israel -- which you constantly misrepresent -- the study states that the best protection is achieved by a combination of at least one vaccination along with a natural infection.

There are dozens of mainstream studies by scientists and governments at this point showing vaccination provides better protection than "natural immunity"

Listen Jem -- you are just pushing the same debunked nonsense. Give it up.

 

[Tony Stark]

There are only two studies I am aware of that are used to attempt to claim that natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity. One of of them is the study from Israel -- which you constantly misrepresent -- the study states that the best protection is achieved by a combination of at least one vaccination along with a natural infection.

There are dozens of mainstream studies by scientists and governments at this point showing vaccination provides better protection than "natural immunity"

Listen Jem -- you are just pushing the same debunked nonsense. Give it up.

I know a few people who are fully vaccinated and still got covid(all mild with no medical attention needed).I know or know of no one who got covid twice.

 

[wrbtrader]

I know a few people who are fully vaccinated and still got covid(all mild with no medical attention needed).I know or know of no one who got covid twice.

I know a few reinfections (got Covid twice) in the United States but maybe because I have close connections to some people that work in the medical field and scientists in research labs.

Omicron will mostly likely change the equation about such in the United States.

Yet, I think that the symptoms will be so mild from Omicron...many reinfections and breakthrough infections will go not reported except in the few cases that the person is immune-compromise and has a severe Covid illness.

wrbtrader

 

[ipatent]

Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibody protection in small study of Pfizer vaccine recipients

• Prof. Alex Sigal with the Africa Health Research Institute and a team of scientists tested blood samples of 12 people who’d previously been vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
• They found a 41-fold in drop in the ability of their antibodies to neutralize the omicron variant compared to the original virus.
• The preprint study has not yet been peer reviewed and it tested 14 plasma samples from 12 vaccinated people, 6 of whom were previously infected.

 

[Tony Stark]

Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibody protection in small study of Pfizer vaccine recipients

• Prof. Alex Sigal with the Africa Health Research Institute and a team of scientists tested blood samples of 12 people who’d previously been vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
• They found a 41-fold in drop in the ability of their antibodies to neutralize the omicron variant compared to the original virus.
• The preprint study has not yet been peer reviewed and it tested 14 plasma samples from 12 vaccinated people, 6 of whom were previously infected.

I dont find these blood test studies to be very credible.They don't match real world results when it comes to actually getting covid twice.

 

[gwb-trading]

I dont find these blood test studies to be very credible.They don't match real world results when it comes to actually getting covid twice.

I believe the real problem is the small size of the sample as well. However these small studies IMO give an inkling of what is to be expected -- if reinfections will increase or decrease with a new variant. With Omicron this small study shows we should expect an increase in re-infections.

 

[ipatent]

I believe the real problem is the small size of the sample as well. However these small studies IMO give an inkling of what is to be expected -- if reinfections will increase or decrease with a new variant. With Omicron this small study shows we should expect an increase in re-infections.

Seems like this preliminary study sheds the most light on vaccine evasiveness.

 

[easymon1]

Doomed. We're All Doomed!