Neanderthals vs. "Science"

[Tsing Tao]

The spike came from teh new variant. The initial lockdowns kept the country safe there for quite a while and restrictions had been lifted over the past few months. You are looking at the spike as though it was a major surge but you have to look at the left side of the graph and that even with the spike the numbers are extremely low.

I showed you Texas which is a state with about the same population of Australia with little to no restrictions to show you how many cases and deaths a truly non restricted place can suffer compared to Australia. So to see a bump in the chart and claim lockdowns don't work is simply looking at the shape and making a poor generalization.

To quote someone smart:

"Come on, dude. You're passing judgment purely on COVID stats.

It's not a simple equation."

The spike came because of the new variant, I agree. But either lockdowns work or they don't. And if there is a place where lockdowns were more severe than Australia, please show that place to me. And the point of the chart has nothing to do with a new variant. Despite massive lockdowns (as indicated in the chart) the virus still did what a virus does.

That is the only point.

If you want to discuss comparisons (which is where you went in the argument) then we can. But that isn't the same point as the chart was trying to make (that lockdowns don't do anything but >possibly< delay the virus response - but the virus is coming no matter what you lock down).

 

[Tsing Tao]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470825682506633217

 

[gwb-trading]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470825682506633217

"It’s almost as if population density is a thing and looking at raw numbers vs per capita still alludes people. It’s what a million+ difference?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470844130360115202

 

[Tsing Tao]

"It’s almost as if population density is a thing and looking at raw numbers vs per capita still alludes people. It’s what a million+ difference?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470844130360115202

Ah. So population density effects mask mandates and vaccine mandates, then? Is that what you are admitting to?

 

[Tsing Tao]

We are told from GWB_NPC that because Twitter and Facebook mark someone as "misleading" then they are ensuring truth is told. Twitter and Facebook are "the experts" on what is right or wrong. sCiENcE!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1471134898039701510

 

[Tsing Tao]

The spike came because of the new variant, I agree. But either lockdowns work or they don't. And if there is a place where lockdowns were more severe than Australia, please show that place to me. And the point of the chart has nothing to do with a new variant. Despite massive lockdowns (as indicated in the chart) the virus still did what a virus does.

That is the only point.

If you want to discuss comparisons (which is where you went in the argument) then we can. But that isn't the same point as the chart was trying to make (that lockdowns don't do anything but >possibly< delay the virus response - but the virus is coming no matter what you lock down).

More on Australia. Despite such draconian restrictions of fining anyone who is unvaccinated caught outside, cases continue to rise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1469515848679256065

 

[Tsing Tao]

New Trafalgar poll. 69.4% of the population says no more mandates or restrictions. We're done with it.

https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/COSA-National-Omicron-Poll-Report.pdf

 

[gwb-trading]

More on Australia. Despite such draconian restrictions of fining anyone who is unvaccinated caught outside, cases continue to rise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1469515848679256065

You do realize that the lockdowns in some regions in Australia ended in early October. And in recent days the restrictions have now been removed in NSW and other territories so vaccinated and the unvaccinated will follow the same set of rules. "The use of QR code check-ins will be scaled back and masks required only in certain high-risk settings."

This is because the lockdowns by region and restrictions in Australia have worked and the cases are now in steep decline. Hence the restrictions can be rolled back -- this is how proper public health policy driven by data works.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You do realize that the lockdowns in some regions in Australia ended in early October. And in recent days the restrictions have now been removed in NSW and other territories so vaccinated and the unvaccinated will follow the same set of rules. "The use of QR code check-ins will be scaled back and masks required only in certain high-risk settings."

This is because the lockdowns by region and restrictions in Australia have worked and the cases are now in steep decline. Hence the restrictions can be rolled back -- this is how proper public health policy driven by data works.

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So you're saying the lockdowns in some regions ended, and the numbers started to decline? Because that's what your data shows.

Another point for the Neanderthals!

 

[gwb-trading]

So you're saying the lockdowns in some regions ended, and the numbers started to decline? Because that's what your data shows.

Another point for the Neanderthals!

Once again -- after lockdowns and restrictions break the Covid wave and cause a steep decline in cases then you can ease up on the restrictions -- this is how proper public health policy driven by data works and is applied. If a new wave of cases occur then you will need to apply the restrictions again. This is especially true in Australia which has a "zero Covid" policy.