Neanderthals vs. "Science"

Stat numbers objectively are correct because they are actual numbers but how you arrive at then depends on the population size, sampling soze and selective criteria used to measure the output.

Which state handled covid better? That depends on who you ask... This country did not handle Covid well as we fractured into political and medical sides of the fence. Almost every expert in both fields were wrong at some point which is not surprising for a novel virus. So not surprising many States went extreme one way or the other with a bunch muddled in the middle.

But people can claim which state did better by simply looking for the stats that support their established opinion. No one handled this well.
Some states, like FL, also fudged the numbers and sent armed goons after those who contradicted that narrative.
 
Some states, like FL, also fudged the numbers and sent armed goons after those who contradicted that narrative.


I don't want to get into those weeds but we also saw underreporting in NY which means as I said the numbers are derived to fit an opinion.

It is very rare that someone objectively pulls all the stats on a topic and then forms an intelligent objective conclusion. It is usually a subjective opinion is formed and then the stats are culled to support it. Even polls have question bias and sampling bias which is why it is funny to see the media constantly surprised the polls were "wrong". Polls are never wrong, it is Family Fued... you get the answers to the questions you ask.

Stats are important but when it comes to political/opinion topics then their value si completely overridden by selection bias. For example, if I am running a plant and we run stats on efficiency rates, defect rates and those items, the stats are objective and useful. I cannot account for how the people use them haha
 
Some states, like FL, also fudged the numbers and sent armed goons after those who contradicted that narrative.

Zero proof, and this has been shown to be bullshit over and over, with the so called "those who contradicted the narrative" up for fraud charges. So take your horseshit and go peddle it in one of your MAGA threads where it belongs. There's no proof at all that Florida fudged any numbers. Besides, half the time you guys went after Florida because of the numbers being high. Can't go after the numbers for being bad, and when they're good say they're fake.

Dope.
 
I don't want to get into those weeds but we also saw underreporting in NY which means as I said the numbers are derived to fit an opinion.

It is very rare that someone objectively pulls all the stats on a topic and then forms an intelligent objective conclusion. It is usually a subjective opinion is formed and then the stats are culled to support it. Even polls have question bias and sampling bias which is why it is funny to see the media constantly surprised the polls were "wrong". Polls are never wrong, it is Family Fued... you get the answers to the questions you ask.

Stats are important but when it comes to political/opinion topics then their value si completely overridden by selection bias. For example, if I am running a plant and we run stats on efficiency rates, defect rates and those items, the stats are objective and useful. I cannot account for how the people use them haha

I understand. Just figured I'd throw that out there as many antivaxxer history revisionists like to deny the reality of things as w/all things COVID.
 
Never forget.

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Some states, like FL, also fudged the numbers and sent armed goons after those who contradicted that narrative.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/22/florida-joe-ladapo-investigated-covid-report-00084075?

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The Florida Department of Health’s inspector general last fall investigated Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general, after the agency received an anonymous complaint alleging he falsified a report focusing on the safety of Covid-19 vaccines for young men.

Among other things, the complainant alleged Ladapo committed “scientific fraud” and “manipulated data” in a report that Ladapo later used to claim that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines could increase the risk of cardiac death among young men, according to the complaint. Both brands use mRNA technology, which Ladapo contends was rushed to the market by the urgency of the pandemic without the proper testing.

“The analysis performed in DOH did not find this,” the individual wrote without providing evidence, according to the complaint. “He manipulated the final draft of the analysis.”

Ladapo’s report was used as evidence in vaccine guidance he released in October that came under heavy criticism from the medical community, which said the surgeon general’s stance that the vaccine posed a health risk in healthy young men was flawed and went against Covid-vaccine recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The guidance even prompted Twitter to temporarily block a social media post from the surgeon general promoting the analysis, though the company later restored it.

The inspector general’s office opened the investigation in November after it received the complaint and later closed it at an undisclosed date after the complainant didn’t respond to follow-up questions regarding the accusations, according to state documents that include a copy of the original complaint.

Nothing is known about the complainant, and anyone can submit a grievance with the Department of Health’s inspector general. But the individual appeared to have detailed knowledge of state health agencies, according to the documents the Florida Department of Health provided to POLITICO.

Ladapo on Wednesday called the accusations against him untrue and said the report in question was completed by a team of staffers at the Florida Department of Health.

“It’s factually false,” Ladapo said in an interview with POLITICO. “I trust the team — they used our Florida data, they performed the analysis, and we’re an accredited public health organization.”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis hand-picked Ladapo, a Harvard-educated medical doctor, to be his top health official in 2021. Ladapo has long questioned the safety of Covid-19 vaccines and at one point joined a petition to urge the FDA against quickly authorizing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Ladapo found a national audience early in the pandemic by writing opinion pieces in The Wall Street Journal and USA Today that criticized community lockdowns and the use of facemasks.

The November complaint against Ladapo asked the inspector general to speak with employees at the state Department of Health Communicable Disease Division, who helped write earlier drafts of the report that was eventually released. Emails were kept to a minimum, the complainant wrote, and notes were hand-delivered.

“You may not find these documents by email, as they get transmitted by hand,” the complainant stated, according to state documents. “But they have been seen by several individuals.

“Lots of people know about this,” the individual stated.

Ladapo, however, stood by his Covid guidance and defended his stance on vaccines.

“Between my scientific experience, and training and the fact that I am only comfortable saying the truth and speaking the truth, I felt completely fine with that announcement,” Ladapo said. “That’s what the data show.”

Ladapo said experts who have rejected his ideas are unwilling to face what he called honesty in modern medical care.

“It really strains credulity to try and write this off as being anything but related to the safety of these mRNA Covid vaccines,” Ladapo said. “I think people should know that it’s OK to believe what their eyes are showing them.”
 
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/22/florida-joe-ladapo-investigated-covid-report-00084075?

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The Florida Department of Health’s inspector general last fall investigated Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general, after the agency received an anonymous complaint alleging he falsified a report focusing on the safety of Covid-19 vaccines for young men.

Among other things, the complainant alleged Ladapo committed “scientific fraud” and “manipulated data” in a report that Ladapo later used to claim that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines could increase the risk of cardiac death among young men, according to the complaint. Both brands use mRNA technology, which Ladapo contends was rushed to the market by the urgency of the pandemic without the proper testing.

“The analysis performed in DOH did not find this,” the individual wrote without providing evidence, according to the complaint. “He manipulated the final draft of the analysis.”

Ladapo’s report was used as evidence in vaccine guidance he released in October that came under heavy criticism from the medical community, which said the surgeon general’s stance that the vaccine posed a health risk in healthy young men was flawed and went against Covid-vaccine recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The guidance even prompted Twitter to temporarily block a social media post from the surgeon general promoting the analysis, though the company later restored it.

The inspector general’s office opened the investigation in November after it received the complaint and later closed it at an undisclosed date after the complainant didn’t respond to follow-up questions regarding the accusations, according to state documents that include a copy of the original complaint.

Nothing is known about the complainant, and anyone can submit a grievance with the Department of Health’s inspector general. But the individual appeared to have detailed knowledge of state health agencies, according to the documents the Florida Department of Health provided to POLITICO.

Ladapo on Wednesday called the accusations against him untrue and said the report in question was completed by a team of staffers at the Florida Department of Health.

“It’s factually false,” Ladapo said in an interview with POLITICO. “I trust the team — they used our Florida data, they performed the analysis, and we’re an accredited public health organization.”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis hand-picked Ladapo, a Harvard-educated medical doctor, to be his top health official in 2021. Ladapo has long questioned the safety of Covid-19 vaccines and at one point joined a petition to urge the FDA against quickly authorizing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Ladapo found a national audience early in the pandemic by writing opinion pieces in The Wall Street Journal and USA Today that criticized community lockdowns and the use of facemasks.

The November complaint against Ladapo asked the inspector general to speak with employees at the state Department of Health Communicable Disease Division, who helped write earlier drafts of the report that was eventually released. Emails were kept to a minimum, the complainant wrote, and notes were hand-delivered.

“You may not find these documents by email, as they get transmitted by hand,” the complainant stated, according to state documents. “But they have been seen by several individuals.

“Lots of people know about this,” the individual stated.

Ladapo, however, stood by his Covid guidance and defended his stance on vaccines.

“Between my scientific experience, and training and the fact that I am only comfortable saying the truth and speaking the truth, I felt completely fine with that announcement,” Ladapo said. “That’s what the data show.”

Ladapo said experts who have rejected his ideas are unwilling to face what he called honesty in modern medical care.

“It really strains credulity to try and write this off as being anything but related to the safety of these mRNA Covid vaccines,” Ladapo said. “I think people should know that it’s OK to believe what their eyes are showing them.”

So as usual, zero proof, the complaint comes from "an anonymous source" that told someone something and the media ran with it.

You can't make this shit up. Well, you obviously can, right Cuddles?
 
Some states, like FL, also fudged the numbers and sent armed goons after those who contradicted that narrative.

View attachment 307218
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/22/florida-joe-ladapo-investigated-covid-report-00084075?

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The Florida Department of Health’s inspector general last fall investigated Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general, after the agency received an anonymous complaint alleging he falsified a report focusing on the safety of Covid-19 vaccines for young men.

Among other things, the complainant alleged Ladapo committed “scientific fraud” and “manipulated data” in a report that Ladapo later used to claim that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines could increase the risk of cardiac death among young men, according to the complaint. Both brands use mRNA technology, which Ladapo contends was rushed to the market by the urgency of the pandemic without the proper testing.

“The analysis performed in DOH did not find this,” the individual wrote without providing evidence, according to the complaint. “He manipulated the final draft of the analysis.”

Ladapo’s report was used as evidence in vaccine guidance he released in October that came under heavy criticism from the medical community, which said the surgeon general’s stance that the vaccine posed a health risk in healthy young men was flawed and went against Covid-vaccine recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The guidance even prompted Twitter to temporarily block a social media post from the surgeon general promoting the analysis, though the company later restored it.

The inspector general’s office opened the investigation in November after it received the complaint and later closed it at an undisclosed date after the complainant didn’t respond to follow-up questions regarding the accusations, according to state documents that include a copy of the original complaint.

Nothing is known about the complainant, and anyone can submit a grievance with the Department of Health’s inspector general. But the individual appeared to have detailed knowledge of state health agencies, according to the documents the Florida Department of Health provided to POLITICO.

Ladapo on Wednesday called the accusations against him untrue and said the report in question was completed by a team of staffers at the Florida Department of Health.

“It’s factually false,” Ladapo said in an interview with POLITICO. “I trust the team — they used our Florida data, they performed the analysis, and we’re an accredited public health organization.”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis hand-picked Ladapo, a Harvard-educated medical doctor, to be his top health official in 2021. Ladapo has long questioned the safety of Covid-19 vaccines and at one point joined a petition to urge the FDA against quickly authorizing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Ladapo found a national audience early in the pandemic by writing opinion pieces in The Wall Street Journal and USA Today that criticized community lockdowns and the use of facemasks.

The November complaint against Ladapo asked the inspector general to speak with employees at the state Department of Health Communicable Disease Division, who helped write earlier drafts of the report that was eventually released. Emails were kept to a minimum, the complainant wrote, and notes were hand-delivered.

“You may not find these documents by email, as they get transmitted by hand,” the complainant stated, according to state documents. “But they have been seen by several individuals.

“Lots of people know about this,” the individual stated.

Ladapo, however, stood by his Covid guidance and defended his stance on vaccines.

“Between my scientific experience, and training and the fact that I am only comfortable saying the truth and speaking the truth, I felt completely fine with that announcement,” Ladapo said. “That’s what the data show.”

Ladapo said experts who have rejected his ideas are unwilling to face what he called honesty in modern medical care.

“It really strains credulity to try and write this off as being anything but related to the safety of these mRNA Covid vaccines,” Ladapo said. “I think people should know that it’s OK to believe what their eyes are showing them.”

shocker I know :rolleyes:

 
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