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[OPTIONAL777]

Proper carries no moral judgment.

There is a proper way for a scientist following scientific methodology to classify species according to the established methods of science.

There is no moral judgment in the process...

The rest of your fishing expedition is non productive.

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Oh, so proper doesn't rank above improper in your view? Wow!! Cool. We'd love to hear you flesh out that argument, Z.

So by that logic, behaving improperly doesn't rank above behaving properly. For example, do you consider it proper behaviour to sit in a park with a trenchcoat on and nothing else, flashing young kids as they walk by? Can you rank that behaviour against sitting in a park watching kids play? Is one behaviour better than the other? Or is it impossible to rank them?

Whoops!!

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[OPTIONAL777]

If you are thirsty, then I assume you can get yourself something to drink.

I don't refer to the dictionary of the plastic masses...I will leave that up to the plastic ET mass psychology...

The truly sophisticated can slum it any time they want and never lose their status or class while doing so...

The unsophisticated never have that liberty, they are stuck in their own narrow confines...they know can never rise above their rube breeding, and the sophisticated know it as well...

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But "bottled water" as defined makes no distinction if the bottle itself is glass or plastic.

What dictionary are you referring to?

Just so I get this straight: Someone who drinks water out of a plastic bottle is "uninformed and "unrefined"?

So when someone drinks water from a plastic bottle, they are subconsciously trying to rise "above the class structure they are stuck in mentally" and attempting to appear "cultured or sophisticated"?

Please advise if "gauche" is a temporary or permanent quality. For example, if Dame Judi Dench were to be seen sipping Coke from the can instead of a glass, she would be categorized as being "gauche" per your explanation above. However, I think most people would agree that Dench is cultured and sophisticated. Therefore, would she be allowed this one slip or has she forever taken a fall down the status ladder?

Finally, if a classy, sophisticated, cultured, and educated individual were indeed in an "emergency situation" and there were no glasses available, would they lower their standards and drink Coke from the can, or would a truly refined individual of superior breeding never sink to such a level?

I find this topic to be utterly fascinating. Thank you for educating me on subject matter I have never stopped to consider. It really is an eye-opener.

Speaking for myself, I must say that after I have exercised and am drinking water out of a plastic bottle, thoughts of status and appearance of culture are not running through my mind.

I'm just thirsty.

 

[bronks]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

If you are thirsty, then I assume you can get yourself something to drink.

I don't refer to the dictionary of the plastic masses...I will leave that up to the plastic ET mass psychology...

The truly sophisticated can slum it any time they want and never lose their status or class while doing so...

The unsophisticated never have that liberty, they are stuck in their own narrow confines...they know can never rise above their rube breeding, and the sophisticated know it as well...

OMG... this is some funny shit. Zz, you crack me up! Perhaps we should commission a study on the differences between panties: cotton/polyester, to differentiate between a hooker, or just a socialite who just wants to feel like one?

I know now that you are paid instigator of this site. It would take a truly evil mind to separate social class by what they stick in their mouth... nevermind what you stick in yours.

 

[hapaboy]

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The truly sophisticated can slum it any time they want and never lose their status or class while doing so...

Sorry, would you mind clarifying this? If someone is "truly sophisticated" and they "can slum it any time they want and never lose their class or status" by sipping Coke from a can, this does not correlate with what you said earlier:

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There are somethings a refined gentleman or lady just will not do...

If they had to slum it in an emergency situation, they would demand the Coke from the can be poured into a glass (not a plastic cup) from which to drink it.

So if "a refined gentleman or lady" will just not sip Coke from a can and will instead demand a glass and not a plastic cup, even in an emergency situation, wouldn't they never have to "slum it up"?

If they're not drinking from a plastic cup, they haven't lowered themselves to the mass plastic levels, right?

Again, I appreciate your thoughts on class and status as viewed through the prism of the plastic beverage container dilemma that those of higher breeding may be faced with in an emergency situation.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

A high class hooker and a low class hooker are just classes of hookers...

Quote from bronks:

OMG... this is some funny shit. Zz, you crack me up! Perhaps we should commission a study on the differences between panties: cotton/polyester, to differentiate between a hooker, or just a socialite who just wants to feel like one?

I know now that you are paid instigator of this site. It would take a truly evil mind to separate social class by what they stick in their mouth... nevermind what you stick in yours.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Try asking you question in a simple way if you really want some clarification.

Your compound style leads to little efficiency.

Also, there is no plastic beverage container dilemma that I am aware of.

People choose paper or plastic all the time, and they can choose bottled water or water in a plastic container...

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Sorry, would you mind clarifying this? If someone is "truly sophisticated" and they "can slum it any time they want and never lose their class or status" by sipping Coke from a can, this does not correlate with what you said earlier:

So if "a refined gentleman or lady" will just not sip Coke from a can and will instead demand a glass and not a plastic cup, even in an emergency situation, wouldn't they never have to "slum it up"?

If they're not drinking from a plastic cup, they haven't lowered themselves to the mass plastic levels, right?

Again, I appreciate your thoughts on class and status as viewed through the prism of the plastic beverage container dilemma that those of higher breeding may be faced with in an emergency situation. [/QUOTE]

 

[bronks]

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A high class hooker and a low class hooker are just classes of hookers...

Bait... you're not sucking me down that rabbit hole. I only clicked on this thread because the title had merit; only to find the you disfigured it, as only you can, into an argument about paper or plastic.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Oh bait-less one!

I can't help what people do when they go to the grocery store and then buy stuff they never intended to...

In the end, it just becomes another paper or plastic checkout...

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Bait... you're not sucking me down that rabbit hole. I only clicked on this thread because the title had merit; only to find the you disfigured it, as only you can, into an argument about paper or plastic.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Try asking you question in a simple way if you really want some clarification.

Your compound style leads to little efficiency.

Also, there is no plastic beverage container dilemma that I am aware of.

People choose paper or plastic all the time, and they can choose bottled water or water in a plastic container...

Very well, since you asked: First you said sophisticated and cultured gentlemen and ladies would never drink a beverage from a can, even in an emergency situation.

Later you said the truly sophisticated would retain their status if they were to lower themselves and drink a beverage from a can.

The contradiction is that you say they would never do such a thing (drink from a can), and later state that if they were to do so (slumming it, you said), they would still retain their high status.

Therefore, the issue of their retaining their status is moot as they would never lower themselves to drink from a can to begin with, right?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Quote from hapaboy:

Very well, since you asked: First you said sophisticated and cultured gentlemen and ladies would never drink a beverage from a can, even in an emergency situation.

Provide a link to exact quote you are making claim to.

Later you said the truly sophisticated would retain their status if they were to lower themselves and drink a beverage from a can.

Yes, they retain their status even if they have to slum it for some reason...

The contradiction is that you say they would never do such a thing (drink from a can), and later state that if they were to do so (slumming it, you said), they would still retain their high status.

No contradiction. Most folks say "I would never do ________, which means they would never want to do _______, but an emergency unique situation might force them temporarily to act against their will or better judgment.

Now, do you really want me to start giving hypothetical situations where people are forced to make a choice between deeply conflicting acts?

Therefore, the issue of their retaining their status is moot as they would never lower themselves to drink from a can to begin with, right?

Retaining their status is not moot at all, it is reality of their status to be above sullying because of some unique situation that requires slumming it...