How is that Wall coming along?

The objective evidence shows that there is a Russian conspiracy. And the objective evidence shows that most of Trump's claims on illegal immigration and on Islamic terrorism are wrong.

Wow.

Building a wall isn't racist. It's just impractical and it's ludicrious to say (and even more ludicrous to believe) Mexico will pay for it.

Why? It's quite easy to make Mexico pay by putting a whole host of costs to businesses that choose to produce in Mexico vs. the USA.

Vetting middle eastern refugees isn't racist. A "Muslim ban" whose original intent was to let in Christians from those countries is.

Honest question. I never saw anything that said Christians from these countries would be let in and Muslims wouldn't be. All I saw was restrictions and vetting from particular countries. Can you show me otherwise?
 
The objective evidence shows that there is a Russian conspiracy. And the objective evidence shows that most of Trump's claims on illegal immigration and on Islamic terrorism are wrong.

Building a wall isn't racist. It's just impractical and it's ludicrious to say (and even more ludicrous to believe) Mexico will pay for it.

Vetting middle eastern refugees isn't racist. A "Muslim ban" whose original intent was to let in Christians from those countries is.

I could careless what Trump's claims are. Bill Clinton claimed that "he did not have sexual relations with that woman". I don't care about claims, I care about actions. The fact is Democrats are OK with continued illegal immigration as well as continued immigration of Islamic Refugees. I am glad that you said that a Wall isn't racist, thank you.

Russians hacked the DNC and every "low information" voter out there was suddenly armed with information courtesy of the DNC Inbox. It is funny the leftwing folks here never denied the validity/content of the emails themselves. They were angry that the truth got revealed in the first place. Had the RNC been hacked with damning emails then you would be cheering the hack! The DNC can't even secure their email servers let alone secure a border.

What are the Russians doing in France? Passing out fliers with quotes by Marcon talking about how a more diversified France must accept terrorism as part of their daily lives now? Those evil Russians!
 
Wow.



Why? It's quite easy to make Mexico pay by putting a whole host of costs to businesses that choose to produce in Mexico vs. the USA.



Honest question. I never saw anything that said Christians from these countries would be let in and Muslims wouldn't be. All I saw was restrictions and vetting from particular countries. Can you show me otherwise?

Trump has even admitted that the Russians tried to influence the elections.

I personally would be pumped if they added tarrifs to Mexican products. But I don't think it's practical as many of Trump's supporters are lobbying against it (mostly farmers).

Re: Christians vs Muslims
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/
 
I could careless what Trump's claims are. Bill Clinton claimed that "he did not have sexual relations with that woman". I don't care about claims, I care about actions. The fact is Democrats are OK with continued illegal immigration as well as continued immigration of Islamic Refugees. I am glad that you said that a Wall isn't racist, thank you.

Russians hacked the DNC and every "low information" voter out there was suddenly armed with information courtesy of the DNC Inbox. It is funny the leftwing folks here never denied the validity/content of the emails themselves. They were angry that the truth got revealed in the first place. Had the RNC been hacked with damning emails then you would be cheering the hack! The DNC can't even secure their email servers let alone secure a border.

What are the Russians doing in France? Passing out fliers with quotes by Marcon talking about how a more diversified France must accept terrorism as part of their daily lives now? Those evil Russians!

Trump is the mouthpiece for his/(your) movement. So what he says does matter. And if you care about actions, you should be even more disappointed. Trump has done nothing other than sign executive orders and sold off your rights to large corporations.

And saying Democrats are okay with illegal immigration is like saying all Trump supporters are racists.

Russians hacking and democrat emails for the purposes of embarrassing them. A shocking number of Trump's advisors having senior ties to Russian officials. Many Republicans are upset with the whole situation. It's not a partisan issue.
 
A shocking number of Trump's advisors having senior ties to Russian officials.

Is it true that Bill Clinton got $500,000 for a Moscow speech paid for by ...
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Bill-Clinton-got-500-000-for-a-Moscow-speech-p...
According to Politifact, yes, he gave a speech to Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment ..


Lobbyist Podesta Got $170K To End US Sanctions On Russia | The ...
dailycaller.com/.../exclusive-dem-super-lobbyist-podesta-got-170k-to-end-us-sanction...
Mar 6, 2017 - The discovery of high-profile Democrats like Podesta being paid lucrative fees for lobbying to lift U.S. sanctions on Russia contrasts with .


Give me a break. How much more senior does it get?
 
Trump is the mouthpiece for his/(your) movement. So what he says does matter. And if you care about actions, you should be even more disappointed. Trump has done nothing other than sign executive orders and sold off your rights to large corporations.

And saying Democrats are okay with illegal immigration is like saying all Trump supporters are racists.

Russians hacking and democrat emails for the purposes of embarrassing them. A shocking number of Trump's advisors having senior ties to Russian officials. Many Republicans are upset with the whole situation. It's not a partisan issue.
Quick question, why do Democrats suck so badly at security? I thought all Trump supporters were deplorable racists according to Hillary. Hillary provided that quote openly in public, don't give the Russians credit for that one.
 
Quick question, why do Democrats suck so badly at security? I thought all Trump supporters were deplorable racists according to Hillary. Hillary provided that quote openly in public, don't give the Russians credit for that one.

Yes. And Trump said most Mexican's were rapists and murderers.

Both were inappropriate comments.

What do Russian's have to do with her comment?

I assume you mean email security. Maybe the Russians have hacked the RNC as well but decided not to release those documents because they wanted Trump to win.
 
Can I ask you another serious question, why does it appear that you along with many Democrats are willing to easily brush aside those who are concerned with undocumented immigration and Islamic Immigration yet you fully believe in this grand Russian global conspiracy?
That's a fairly easy question for me to answer, but only with respect to myself. I am not a member of the Democratic party. Even were I , I couldn't speak for others.

Your choice of the linking conjunction "yet" suggests a link between the undocumented immigrant issue and Russian hacking. A link that isn't there. These are independent issues, so I will address them independently.

I am concerned about undocumented immigration! I think that welcoming people from other countries that want to come here legally, abide by our laws, and become part of our American social fabric is a very healthy thing for our nation. I hope we will make it very clear to all immigrants that they are free to practice their own religion, or lack thereof, so long as their beliefs do not conflict with our laws, and that only majority religious beliefs are likely to find support in the law, even though we pay lip service to the principle of separation of Church and State.

The question whether adherents to particular sects or sub-religions are compatible with U.S. law, is I think, best left to the Courts and Majority rule. If it's determined that a persons religious beliefs are incompatible with U.S. law, then I would think it a bad idea to welcome that person as an immigrant to the United States. That's not something for the President to decide however. It is for the Courts and the Congress as our 'democratic' representatives.

I would like to see future illegal immigration reduced as close to zero as reasonably possible! I am also aware that under the Obama administration there was a crackdown on illegal immigrants , deportations were greatly stepped up. At the same time, the number of illegal border crossing slowed to a trickle long before the election. Listening to Trump, one would have thought that vast hordes of illegal immigrants are streaming across our southern border. This is simply not the case. Almost all those here illegally came her legally a long time ago and then overstayed their Visas. (It's fact versus alternative facts and disinformation. Mr Trump is an unstoppable font of the latter.)

The Obama administration used a laser rather than a trawler net. What the Obama administration did, and I am very much in favor of their practical approach to the problem, is to grant clemency to those who came here as children with their families, provided there is no record of serious law breaking or gang memberships. In the future, the problem of illegal immigration is best addressed by implementing ways to track those here on Visa and make sure they leave when they are supposed to.

I believe that the only solutions to our past illegal immigration problem that will work well are those that recognize that clocks only turn one direction. *

Many believe their jobs were stolen by illegal immigrants. This is true to a far smaller extent than often believed. Most jobs are lost because of changing technology and offshoring to lower cost labor elsewhere. These jobs will not return even if we deported 100% of every illegal immigrant tomorrow. Trump's campaign rhetoric was the classical rhetoric of a demagogue; a fear stoking campaign. The demagogue lied to us.

Attempts by Russian hackers to interfere in the U.S. and European elections is an established fact, just as the long history of U.S. meddling in other countries elections is established fact. If you insist on referring to such attempts as a Grand Conspiracy that's OK with me. I usually don't think of something that has become rather mundane, common knowledge as being much of a conspiracy, but I can see that some may want to call it that. The FBI has already made a definitive statement on this matter which can be looked up if you are interested. Apparently their current investigation is on-going. Why would anyone , other than an extremely naive person, be surprised to learn that Russians attempted to influence the U.S. election outcome considering the well documented, long history of U.S. interference in elections world-wide?
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*"No matter how far you've gone down the wrong road turn back," has more than one interpretation. The road in this saying is metaphorical! The wrong road in this case is a wrong policy!, viz., the policy of not enforcing U.S. immigration law because business and agriculture preferred low-wage immigrant labor without legal recourse to higher-wage citizen labor with legal recourse. Holding down labor's wage is the time honored goal of good capitalists everywhere; competition for jobs, whether from machines or from eager immigrants, is always welcome so long as it doesn't inordinately reduce labor's purchasing power for the capitalists' goods.
 
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What do Russian's have to do with her comment?
Hillary embarrassed herself without hacked emails being released. What forces caused the Access Hollywood audio to be released against Trump? Soros perhaps? You are only angry at the Russians because it did not benefit your side. You turned a blind eye to the corruption of The Clinton Foundation as well as their foreign donors who sought influence. Yet the only foreign influence you seemed to be concerned with is the Russians....so obvious.
 
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