Gun control is about Urban vs Rural areas

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It is blatantly obvious guns don't belong in cities. New York City has the lowest crime rate of any big city in US thanks to TOUGH and EFFECTIVE enforcement of gun laws. It would be even better if the rest of the country was like NYC. If NYC said, f' it let's just let anyone carry a gun it would drown in crime.

The problem with the gun control debate is that yahoos living in rural and suburban areas judge gun crime trends based on their superficial existence. Nobody is going to care about your wheat farm and gangs would not congregate there either. If you live in a well off suburb and carry laws don't seem to make a hell hole out of it it is not because of guns, it is because the people living in your neighborhood are not cut out to rob banks and police manage to keep outsiders at bay.

Gangs and organized crime prefer urban settings for a variety of obvious reasons. Much higher population density and economic density. Whether it is kidnapping, bank robbery, burglary, extortion, loan sharking, prostitution, drug sales, you name it, it is ALWAYS better to do it in a city. There are no drive bys to be had on wheat farms.

It is because of gangs and organized crime in urban settings that there should be uniform gun control laws across the whole country.

let's examine your logic here

1. You say we have a gun problem yet you are boasting how well the gun control laws work in NYC, so which is it in NYC?
2. You admit that rural areas have lower murder rates
3. THEREFORE everyone, including rural areas, needs tougher gun laws


why?? you just said NYC is doing just dandy, why the hell do lower crime rural areas need the same laws?

the answer is simple, we don't need a national law, every big city can emulate NYC and the rural areas like Wyoming (with the highest gun ownership, yet lower murder rate) can keep doing what they are doing.
 
Quote from Mav88:

let's examine your logic here

1. You say we have a gun problem yet you are boasting how well the gun control laws work in NYC, so which is it in NYC?
2. You admit that rural areas have lower murder rates
3. THEREFORE everyone, including rural areas, needs tougher gun laws


why?? you just said NYC is doing just dandy, why the hell do lower crime rural areas need the same laws?

the answer is simple, we don't need a national law, every big city can emulate NYC and the rural areas like Wyoming (with the highest gun ownership, yet lower murder rate) can keep doing what they are doing.

There are big cities "drowning in crime" and many less big cities where crime is too high. NYC is a model of what a city should be. We need national gun law policy so that ALL cities could enjoy a lower crime rate.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

There are big cities "drowning in crime" and many less big cities where crime is too high. NYC is a model of what a city should be. We need national gun law policy so that ALL cities could enjoy a lower crime rate.

let's run through this again, slower

1. rural areas don't need tougher laws, they are already safer
2. cities can make tougher laws if they want to be safer, you just bragged that it's possible

therefore, we do not need a national law as not everyone has a problem
 
Quote from Mav88:

let's run through this again, slower

1. rural areas don't need tougher laws, they are already safer
2. cities can make tougher laws if they want to be safer, you just bragged that it's possible

therefore, we do not need a national law as not everyone has a problem

NYC has a balance sheet that makes it possible to hire more cops. NYPD is the largest police department in the country if I remember right. Not every city is as fortunate. The thrust of my argument was that if you implement gun control nationwide the whole country would be safer. NYC while safer than other US big cities is not as safe as some European big cities (I think gun crime in London is WAY lower)
 
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... (I think gun crime in London is WAY lower)

Maybe, but not low enough apparently.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/armed-police-to-permanently-patrol-britains-streets-6776867.html


" Armed police are to carry out routine patrols in London to combat gun carrying drug gangs.

In an unprecedented move for British policing a team of 18 constables armed with sub-machineguns, led by an inspector and two sergeants, will operate permanently in "hotspots" in Brixton, Haringey and Tottenham.

The officers, from the Met's Specialist Firearm Command SO19, will patrol estates and streets to prevent shootings and stabbings.

The move, which follows a 30 per cent surge in gun crime in London this year, will be the first time in Britain that armed officers have been put on permanent patrol.

The officers — some on motorbikes — will be armed with Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machineguns capable of firing up to 800 rounds per minute and Glock semi-automatic pistols...."





Are there any other gun myths you'd like me to dispel with facts and cold harsh reality?
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

NYC has a balance sheet that makes it possible to hire more cops. NYPD is the largest police department in the country if I remember right. Not every city is as fortunate. The thrust of my argument was that if you implement gun control nationwide the whole country would be safer. NYC while safer than other US big cities is not as safe as some European big cities (I think gun crime in London is WAY lower)

further bolsters the case you made that we do not need a national law, cities just may need more cops


most of the country does not need rescuing by your ideas, the murder rates are acceptably low and life is very safe. I live in suburb where we have had 2 muders in 15 years. Many of us have guns, they didn't pose a problem.
 
here's another fallacy publix- you think if gun crime is lower that's all that matters. Let me ask, does it really matter the manner in which someone kills you?

London is now more dangerous than Harlem, according to figures released yesterday.

The chances of being mugged in Britain' s capital are 25 per cent higher than in the oncenotorious area of New York.

The statistics will put extra pressure on David Blunkett, as he struggles to contain a big rise in muggings on the streets of Britain's cities.

The figures, produced by the Conservatives, will also increase the Home Secretary's frustration with the Metropolitan Police which, say critics, is failing to tackle violent crime in the capital.

Mr Blunkett wants to know why the Metropolitan force has a similar budget to the New York Police Department but manages to field 30 per cent fewer officers.

He is also furious that murder rates in parts of London are soaring while in New York they are at a record low.

Now the Conservatives have produced figures showing how key parts of the American city also outperform London over mugging.

The Tories have found that in Harlem last year there were just 5.9 robberies per 1,000 residents.

Across London the figure was 7.4 attacks.

In some inner-city boroughs the level of street crime was even higher.

Lambeth, which includes Brixton, saw 24 muggings per 1,000 people - four times the Harlem rate.

Westminster - which includes Downing Street and Buckingham Palace - had 12 robberies per 1,000 residents.

The borough of Islington, where Tony Blair lived before becoming Prime Minister, saw 9.3 attacks per 1,000.

Shadow Home Secretary Oliver Letwin said last night: 'You are now more likely to be robbed in London than you are in New York's Harlem.

'These latest figures validate the fears and concerns of London residents.'

Mr Letwin added: 'Labour promised to be tough on crime, but it is clearer by the day that there are fewer police on the beat and violent crime is rising across the capital's streets.'

Latest Metropolitan Police crime figures show street crime is rising in every London borough.

In some areas it has leapt by more than 70 per cent in a year. By contrast Harlem - the traditional home of black New Yorkers - has seen a major fall in crime since the 1980s when it was dominated by heavily armed drug gangs responsible for a spate of murders.

In the last five years crime has fallen 60 per cent and the murder rate is down 72 per cent.

The fall in crime is attributed to tough policing - at times the area has been flooded with patrol officers to drive the gangs off the streets - plus millions of pounds in government grants to rebuild the area and attract new businesses.

Major retailers like Gap and Disney are moving into the area and it is fast becoming a major tourist attraction.

Property values are soaring and unemployment is down.

Mr Blunkett has warned the Metropolitan Commissioner Sir John Stevens that he has six months to get street crime under control or face seeing his force taken over by the Home Office.

Metropolitan police chiefs blame soaring violent crime on the need to put thousands of officers on antiterrorist patrols in central London in the wake of September 11.

But a recent crackdown on mugging using hundreds of traffic officers to hunt street robbers has had some impact.

More money for overtime to keep up the pressure on muggers was announced in last week's Budget.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html#ixzz2FYx8Xxhq
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