Gun control is about Urban vs Rural areas

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Because he is arguing things that are blatantly obvious. You compare NYPD to LAPD and it is not even funny. NYPD is way more effective. In another thread he is trying to prove that LA is safer than NYC which it is not. You compare across all statistics and NYC is doing very well, much better than much smaller cities located in states with easy gun laws.

Compare NYC to Jax/FL and tell me how open carry works wonders. Bear in mind Jax/FL is MUCH MUCH smaller.

I heard someone on NPR say that NYC has relatively low crime rates lately because the police have a policy, something like "stop and search" where they simply stop people walking down the street and search them. The ACLU hates it and has tried to stop it but the NYPD claims it has abated crime considerably.
 
Concealed carry and open carry are banned
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I wonder if Mayor Bloomberg's bodygaurds carry a weapon.

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Quote from 377OHMS:

I heard someone on NPR say that NYC has relatively low crime rates lately because the police have a policy, something like "stop and search" where they simply stop people walking down the street and search them. The ACLU hates it and has tried to stop it but the NYPD claims it has abated crime considerably.

NYC is special because while it is the biggest city by population it does not lead any single crime category(per capita of course). When compare NYC to cities in states where gun laws are quite lax you start to see things that open your mind.

NYC is safer than Miami or Jacksonville, or Atlanta. You can't attribute it to diversity or random chance. Bear in mind NYC does all of this even while having "da bronx". NYC is a model city for an effective police force considering the city's history ("5 families of NYC")
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Adjust that table by population and you would be amazed. You are not very bright are you?
I did, and it doesn't change the fact that LA, Phoenix, San Diego and San Antonio are safer than NYC.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

...When compare NYC to cities in states where gun laws are quite lax you start to see things that open your mind...
Yeah, but not the way you'd like to think.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

I did, and it doesn't change the fact that LA, Phoenix, San Diego and San Antonio are safer than NYC.

Man, your quantitative skills are weak. Let's compare LA to NYC

LA has marginally less "violent crime" 559 vs 581 but has more murders, and man slaughters, twice as many rapes, more robberies, less aggravated assaults, more burglaries, car thefts, property thefts, etc. When a city has more murders, rapes, robberies, burglaries, you don't call it "safer".

San Diego is an affluent city of much smaller size, even there certain categories NYC beats it.

Phoenix has more murders, rapes, and way more property crime. Yet again, NOT SAFER.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Man, your quantitative skills are weak. Let's compare LA to NYC

LA has marginally less "violent crime" 559 vs 581 but has more murders, and man slaughters, twice as many rapes, more robberies, less aggravated assaults, more burglaries, car thefts, property thefts, etc. When a city has more murders, rapes, robberies, burglaries, you don't call it "safer".

San Diego is an affluent city of much smaller size, even there certain categories NYC beats it.

Phoenix has more murders, rapes, and way more property crime. Yet again, NOT SAFER.

I was comparing ONLY violent crimes and murders, given we're talking guns here.

And if you start eliminating cities from the short list of ten because they're not "big" enough to suite you. You end up with just NYC to compare to - NYC. Because it's the biggest.



And speaking of "quantitative skills" you and your anti gun buddies have posted a substantiated fact yet that I've noticed. Just myths and talking points from the anti gun lobby. What's up with that?
 
Quote from Lucrum:

I was comparing ONLY violent crimes and murders, given we're talking guns here.

And if you start eliminating cities from the short list of ten because they're not "big" enough to suite you. You end up with just NYC to compare to - NYC. Because it's the biggest.

Those stats dont breakdown by gun or other instrument. On balance, NYC is SAFER than LA which is what I claimed. Murder and rape are way more serious than aggravated assault so one occurrence of murder is not equivalent to one occurrence of aggravated assault. In violent crimes only category LA is better is in aggravated assault which is less important than rape or murder.

You still don't get the point. NYC is way safer than many cities which are smaller in states with open carry. That phenomenon cannot be explained by your beliefs.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

The list I got those stats from INCLUDED all the major US cities.
Your statement was wrong PERIOD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

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From your link.

The FBI web site recommends against using its data for ranking because these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.[4] The FBI web site also recommends against using its data to judge how effective law enforcement agencies are, since there are many factors that influence crime rates other than law enforcement.[5]

In November 2007, the executive board of the American Society of Criminology (ASC) went further than the FBI itself, and approved a resolution opposing not only the use of the ratings to judge police departments, but also opposing any development of city crime rankings from FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCRs) at all. The resolution opposed these rankings on the grounds that they "fail to account for the many conditions affecting crime rates" and "divert attention from the individual and community characteristics that elevate crime in all cities", though it did not provide sources or further elaborate on these claims. The resolution states the rankings "represent an irresponsible misuse of the data and do groundless harm to many communities" and "work against a key goal of our society, which is a better understanding of crime-related issues by both scientists and the public".[6]
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Those stats dont breakdown by gun or other instrument. On balance, NYC is SAFER than LA which is what I claimed. Murder and rape are way more serious than aggravated assault so one occurrence of murder is not equivalent to one occurrence of aggravated assault. In violent crimes only category LA is better is in aggravated assault which is less important than rape or murder.

You still don't get the point. NYC is way safer than many cities which are smaller in states with open carry. That phenomenon cannot be explained by your beliefs.

I think you're cherry picking stats to avoid admitting you're wrong.
 
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