Although I believe its self-defense...
The dead guy's family will likely sue the armed security firm or contractor along with suing the news network.
wrbtrader
Fatal shooting in Denver, probably self defense
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Although I believe its self-defense...
The dead guy's family will likely sue the armed security firm or contractor along with suing the news network.
wrbtrader
Most local media outlets have used armed private security contractors at protests for months. You do not even recognize these armed security contractors at protests because the intent is to remain inconspicuous.
Let's see what KUSA in Denver has to say at the beginning of their coverage...
1 dead, security guard in custody after shooting near dueling Denver rallies
A "Patriot Rally" and a "BLM-Antifa Soup Drive" took place at Civic Center Saturday afternoon.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/...stody/73-6890f727-e44a-4a60-a777-a6fbe0730e0e
A private security guard is being held as a suspect in a deadly shooting near the Denver Art Museum, according to the Denver Police Department (DPD).
The private security guard in custody was contracted through Pinkerton by 9NEWS. It has been the practice of 9NEWS for a number of months to contract private security to accompany staff at protests.
DPD originally took two people into custody and later found the second individual, a 9NEWS producer who works in the investigative unit, was not involved in the incident. The producer is no longer in police custody and is not a suspect.
This incident occurred beneath a city police surveillance camera and police confirmed they have footage of what happened.
DPD said that a little before 3:50 p.m. there was some sort of verbal altercation just as protesters were leaving the area.
(More at above url)
Pinkerton (now owned by Securitas AB) has been handling lawsuits from the families of violent rioters for well over 150 years -- they are well used to it.
Lawsuits for any protester or they're political and only defend protesters from one side of the political spectrum ?
wrbtrader
With Pinkerton it all comes down to who they are being paid by. They will defend themselves from lawsuits from anyone suing them and their employees from actions that were taken during the course of their paid duties.
Keep in mind that it was Pinkerton that hunted down most of the outlaws in the Wild West in the old days. Pinkerton was hired by most railroads for security and for hunting down train robbers. Sometimes they did this in conjunction with sheriffs or U.S. Marshalls -- many times they did this alone.
Pinkerton has a lengthy and storied history including union busting and other activities -- but one thing they are very good at is defending themselves in lawsuits.
In your opinion, if someone were to spray you with mace, you have the right to shot and kill them in self defense?
I have not followed this denver scenario at all and do not know who the good guys and the villains are.
Nevertheless, if you tards could go off the rails as you usually do and get some major riots going as part of your campaign to re-elect Trump, THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!!
LOOTERS FOR BIDEN - 2020
Nevertheless, if you tards could go off the rails as you usually do and get some major riots going as part of your campaign to re-elect Trump, THAT WOULD BE GREAT!!!
LOOTERS FOR BIDEN - 2020
So let me ask... if an obviously armed individual sucker punches you without provocation knocking off your hat and glasses.... you back up to deescalate and the armed individual charges you spraying you with bear spray with the intent of disabling you and continuing their attack without retaliation. Do you have the right to shoot this armed individual and kill them in self defense?
Keep in mind that Colorado has a clear "Stand Your Ground: law.
Colorado self-defense law allows people to use force to defend themselves or others when they reasonably believe it necessary to protect against imminent harm, and they use only the degree of force appropriate for the situation.
In some cases, this means you can use deadly force. You do not have to withdraw from an altercation before defending yourself. To raise your right to defend yourself, though, you cannot be the aggressor.
1. When is self-defense justified in Colorado?
Self-defense is a legal defense to a criminal accusation. It quietly admits that you committed the crime. However, it argues that you only did it in order to defend yourself from harm. If successful, self-defense justifies a crime. It means you were only acting out of self-preservation.1 A successful self-defense argument means you are not liable for the crime.
Proving a self-defense case involves showing:
- You reasonably believed that you were about to suffer imminent and unlawful force,
- You reasonably believed that immediate force was the required to protect yourself, and
- You used a degree of force that you reasonably believed would be necessary to prevent it.
People defending themselves in Colorado rarely have to retreat before using force. Instead, they are generally allowed to stand their ground. This is true even if they use deadly force in defense.
However, not all cases of self-defense are justified. Self-defense is not a legal defense if you were the aggressor in the fight. Deadly force also is not an option if you were defending your property, but not yourself. The only exception is if you were trying to prevent an arson.
1.1 How much force can you use?
You can only use as much force as you reasonably believe is necessary to protect yourself.
In many cases, this means only using as much force as you are being threatened with. However, the degree of force that is justified depends on the situation.
Example: Paul punches George. George takes out a gun and shoots Paul. George may have used too much force for a self-defense argument.
1.2 When is deadly force available?
Deadly force can be used in some circumstances for self-defense. You have to reasonably believe that:
- You are in imminent danger of being killed or getting severely hurt,
- The assailant is committing a burglary and is about to use physical force against the occupant, or
- The assailant is committing a kidnapping, robbery, sexual assault, or a felony assault.2
1.3 Stand Your Ground law
Colorado follows “Stand Your Ground” law. This law allows you to defend yourself without retreating from a fight, first. It allows people to use reasonable and appropriate force – including deadly force – without withdrawing.3
Unlike Colorado’s “Make My Day” law, Stand Your Ground applies outside the home, as well.
Example: The driver of a car is trying to run Robert over. Robert pulls out his gun and shoots the driver without trying to get out of the way.4
Stand Your Ground can be a defense for people who are trespassing on someone else’s property. However, it only allows trespassers to use self-defense against unlawful force.5 Because property owners can lawfully use force against a trespasser, there are some situations where trespassers cannot claim self-defense.
Does macing justify a shooting? Seems the reaction was way overboard. If you mace me I can step back and get away from the stream and you are not going to kill me.
This is why having so many arms on the street and the police and politicians not returning order is a mistake.
This is why having so many arms on the street and the police and politicians not returning order is a mistake.