Cowards!

[Lucrum]

What's the scope of illegal immigration in the UK in comparison to the US? Let's look, shall we?

UK:
Estimated between 310,000 and 570,000. Total UK population? 63.23 million - a little less than a percent at the high end of the estimate.

US:
Estimated 11.5 million illegals, total population 313.9 million, or about 3.6%.

Now I'm guessing that if you took the UK and set it down between Romania and Bulgaria, those UK stats would change quite a bit. Being land locked next to a third world country has a bit to do with it. So you can't really compare the UK and the US. At all.

There's a whole process that immigrants can go through in order to gain citizenship - the right way - that allows them to gain the opportunities, the chance of a better quality of life, etc. In fact, decades and decades ago, that's how it worked- before they got schooling, welfare, food stamps, medical care, housing, etc. And back then they contributed in the form of taxes.

Now, all we have is a population content to remain under the radar and not contribute a penny towards what they receive, with no intention of becoming legal. Why? Because they don't have to. Why sign up just for the right to pay taxes when you already get all the freebies as it is? Hell, if you want to vote, you probably could still do that!

What's the absolute worst that can happen to you? Catch and release? We're not going to deport you or anything, right?

As for swapping productive immigrants for lazy citizens, where can I vote on that program? It's a keeper.

Someone just had their head handed to them on a platter.

 

[Ricter]

As for swapping productive immigrants for lazy citizens, where can I vote on that program? It's a keeper.

You could vote to make productive, illegal immigrants citizens immediately. Even though the lazy wouldn't be ejected it would still be an improvement.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You could vote to make productive, illegal immigrants citizens immediately. Even though the lazy wouldn't be ejected it would still be an improvement.

You could. However, if you don't solve the issue of the actual border first, then all you do by voting immediately is encourage more to cross the border in the hopes that they'll be there for the next way of amnesty.

 

[Ricter]

You could. However, if you don't solve the issue of the actual border first, then all you do by voting immediately is encourage more to cross the border in the hopes that they'll be there for the next way of amnesty.

If they're found to be productive, who cares?

 

[Tsing Tao]

If they're found to be productive, who cares?

Anyone paying taxes should care whenever there is a taker who doesn't give.

 

[Ricter]

Anyone paying taxes should care whenever there is a taker who doesn't give.

If they're productive, bring 'em on board. They are then taxpayers, too.

 

[Tsing Tao]

If they're productive, bring 'em on board. They are then taxpayers, too.

They're only taxpayers if they're legalized. Again, even if you legalize the current batch, more will come thinking they'll be legalized soon. Are you saying we should just let an infinite number of them come?

 

[Ricter]

They're only taxpayers if they're legalized. Again, even if you legalize the current batch, more will come thinking they'll be legalized soon. Are you saying we should just let an infinite number of them come?

Good question. In the early days there seemed to be no imaginable limit on how big our population should be, except perhaps among extreme environmentalists and such who love solitude. It's hard to answer, everyone has a different feel for it. To me, there are too many people in the US, particularly east of the Mississippi. But I'm a bit of a crank Westerner that way. But I imagine many residents of teeming NYC wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Lucrum]

 

[SIUYA]

Someone just had their head handed to them on a platter.

actually if you had a brain in your head.....you might realise that I never compared the UK to the USA. I gave it as an example. I also never mentioned illegal immigrants. Just that people who are immigrants go there not for the welfare but for the work even though the welfare is higher and easier to get in the UK than the US, and that is for legal immigrants....and given Tsing Tao quite liked my idea of the swap (I would also be all for it) and provides info......
Whereas you are a one trick pony that contributes nothing than a baying mob voice that is no surprise that you actually think immigrants only go to the USA for welfare.