Biden was right: MAGA ideology is fascism

UsualName said:
Joe Biden is actually doing an exceptional job getting legislation through congress. I get you don’t like any of it but pound for pound he is up there.

Look I’m not exactly on board with the student loan stuff, as I’ve stated I’d prefer a different approach, but legally it’s probably good. The Heroes act is pretty clear and it’s not even his emergency order he is working off of.

I assume you’re arguing there is no such emergency because US deaths and hospitalizations have become manageable. That doesn’t mean the impact of the pandemic has subsided. Obviously we are under great global economic pressure from Covid and the economic well being of the country isn’t stable. Everything from housing to child rearing has been negatively impacted. And that was the point of the provision in the act - to be able to give relief to some groups impacted by these large scale events.

As to executive orders directing congressionally appropriated spending. Depending on the wording of the legislation, the president does have great latitude as long as they stay within the scope of the appropriation. Sometimes congress is very specific in their appropriation and sometimes very broad. They do this on purpose to steer the president or give him discretion. We’ve already been through this with DACA which has been upheld.

As to Biden having some insulation from the courts and congress and this no pressure. All of that will change. Trump was just unable to manage his own party when he had total control of government is the difference between him and Biden.
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the hypocrisy knows no bounds. Donnie tried to steal already allocated monies by EO and other methods to build his stupid fence how many times? Used the emergency defense act to star trade wars w/allies again how many times?
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Nope. You are making a case for Biden's power to temporarily defer payment versus cancel.

There is a difference. Try to spot it. Even Pelosi could, until she couldn't/wouldn't.

That power resides with Congress.
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That’s a funny interpretation of “reduce or eliminate.” The true legal hurdle is whether law allows for such a broad and large scale reduction.
 
Cuddles said:
the hypocrisy knows no bounds. Donnie tried to steal already allocated monies by EO and other methods to build his stupid fence how many times? Used the emergency defense act to star trade wars w/allies again how many times?
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Yes. The irony of defending Trump by citing other presidents use of EOs is comical. Trump was abusive with the authority and continuously got smacked down. His administration was not the smartest. They couldn’t even get their justifications right.
 
UsualName said:
That’s a funny interpretation of “reduce or eliminate.” The true legal hurdle is whether law allows for such a broad and large scale reduction.
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Oh, if you are even starting down the road of adopting Biden's argument that the law directed at reducing debt for soldiers deployed after 9/11...then please.....we shall not go there.

As we would say in Maine, NON-STAHTAH!!! non-starter.
 
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UsualName said:
Yes. The irony of defending Trump by citing other presidents use of EOs is comical.
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Nope. It's the other way around.

The irony of you and your ilk defending Biden's abuse of power by trying to deflect over to Trump. And of course Lackey Garland just did a maralago raide to make sure that the atmosphere of keeping everything deflected over to Trump continues on.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Oh, if you are even starting down the road of adopting Biden's argument that the law directed at reducing debt for soldiers deployed after 9/11...then please.....we shall not go there.

As we would say in Maine, NON-STAHTAH!!! non-starter.
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My first reaction was to laugh at this but then with this SCOTUS it may be the right argument. Whatever. There’s lots of challenges in draft and republicans are going to try to hit this from every angle so if a challenge prevails you never know which the court will take. Obviously your argument would go against the text plain text of the law.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Nope. It's the other way around.

The irony of you and your ilk defending Biden's abuse of power by trying to deflect over to Trump. And of course Lackey Garland just did a maralago raide to make sure that the atmosphere of keeping everything deflected over to Trump continues on.
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We can look at Biden’s EO’s but you’re the one who started us this path of deflection in this thread. Try to keep up with yourself.
 
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