5 dead in Texas shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

[Cuddles]

This is common knowledge within the U.S. military, especially with military police & CID agents stationed at military bases in Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Kentucky, North Carolina and Georgia...

Traffickers and Cartels recruit U.S. military soldiers on the southern border states to help transport guns from the U.S. into Mexico.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-army-recruiter-guns-mexican-drug-cartel-2016-12

Crap like the above, the United States has a serious problem with gun trafficking from state to state and from state to another country because it's a "big money business"...estimated at hundreds of millions of dollars per year in illegal profits.

It's not just guns...it's also military-grade equipment, C-4 plastic explosives, and detonator devices because it's very difficult for the cartel to buy these from within Mexico...reason why they recruit U.S. military soldiers to get the weapons from the United States and then illegally transport them south into Mexico with the help of U.S. military soldiers or associates of the cartel living in the United States that are working with U.S. military soldiers...active duty, national guard, reserves and veterans.

Unfortunately, although common knowledge within the U.S. military...the U.S. military goes to great lengths to keep arrests very quiet of its soldiers involved with the cartel especially considering the military CID is a branch associated with the FBI that also works with DEA.

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I wasn't even sure why "cartels" was in the conversation until I read a twitter comment this morning. Apparently racists are now claiming "dude's cartel" because you can't have a Mexican with a gun near the border w/o it being cartel. .....cleveland tx not being near the border.

 

[Tony Stark]

It would make little sense? I don't think I can agree with you. If a cartel connected individual has a long rifle already, why would he ditch it to look for another in the US?

He could sell it in Mexico for 3000 and buy one in The US for 1000-1500.

He wouldn't have to risk years in jail being caught smuggling weapons into The US.

 

[Tony Stark]

Reports have now "corrected" previous statements of other weapons found in vics' home. So you know, dude smuggled a sack full of weapons /s

Authorities found at least three weapons inside the suspect’s home and spoke to the suspect’s wife, the sheriff said.

Makes even more sense that he got them here.Those 4 guns are worth around 3xs as much in Mexico than in The US.He also risk years in prison if Customs catch him smuggling that many guns and he would lose the guns and all there value if caught smuggling them in the US.

Bringing multiple guns into The US from Mexico would be like bringing a kilo of cocaine worth 40,000 in The US into Mexico where its worth 15,000.

 

[Cuddles]

Makes even more sense that he got them here.Those 4 guns are worth around 3xs as much in Mexico than in The US.He also risk years in prison if Customs catch him smuggling that many guns and he would lose the guns and all there value if caught smuggling them in the US.

Bringing multiple guns into The US from Mexico would be like bringing a kilo of cocaine worth 40,000 in The US into Mexico where its worth 15,000.

preaching to the choir brother....said as much a few posts back. I don't rule out anything; including dude "being cartel", just show me some god damn proof other than "mexican".

Anyone w/any experience w/drunks knows some turn psycho when they hit the bottle.....which is why we keep guns away from places serving liquor.

 

[Tsing Tao]

He could sell it in Mexico for 3000 and buy one in The US for 1000-1500.

He wouldn't have to risk years in jail being caught smuggling weapons into The US.

Where are you getting those prices from again?

And you think someone who is a routine smuggler and connected to a cartel, and has shown past skill in getting over the border undetected after being deported cares about the added gun charge?

 

[Tony Stark]

Where are you getting those prices from again?

And you think someone who is a routine smuggler and connected to a cartel, and has shown past skill in getting over the border undetected after being deported cares about the added gun charge?

The Vice article says buy 500-700 in The US,sell for over 2000 in Mexico.That article is from 2021.Conversations I've had with people in the know say current prices for assault weapons in Mexico are around 3000 now.

Yes I think someone who has skill coming across the border would care about a gun charge.The penalty for crossing the border smuggling guns will be much stiffer than just being caught crossing the border with no contraband.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The Vice article says buy 500-700 in The US,sell 2000 in Mexico.That article is from 2021.Conversations I've had with people in the know say current prices for assault weapons in Mexico are around 3000 now.

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Yes I think someone who has skill coming across the border would care about a gun charge.The penalty for crossing the border smuggling guns will be much stiffer than just being caught crossing the border with no contraband.

Ok, I'm guessing we'll have to disagree. Anecdotal prices you've heard from others and the Vice article (any source in the Vice article mentioned?) doesn't count for anything other than circumstantial evidence.

And the issue with a serial criminal crossing the border caring about a rifle he's bringing because he's worried about the law is the same as thinking someone intent on committing murder with a firearm is going to care about his weapon being illegal. He simply isn't.

 

[Cuddles]

Yes I think someone who has skill coming across the border would care about a gun charge.The penalty for crossing the border smuggling guns will be much stiffer than just being caught crossing the border with no contraband.

While crossing after deportation is a felony, tens of thousands do it due to family ties, necessity, or discretionary prosecution not being overly harsh due to circumstances outlined and government cost (last I checked a few yrs back). The majority of offenders are the same people that crossed the first time, not hardened criminals.

 

[Tony Stark]

Ok, I'm guessing we'll have to disagree. Anecdotal prices you've heard from others and the Vice article (any source in the Vice article mentioned?) doesn't count for anything other than circumstantial evidence.

And the issue with a serial criminal crossing the border caring about a rifle he's bringing because he's worried about the law is the same as thinking someone intent on committing murder with a firearm is going to care about his weapon being illegal. He simply isn't.

Most criminals avoid taking unnecessary risk.Even if a criminal plans on killing someone why take the unnecessary risk of multiple years in prison adding a gun smuggling charge for no reason?,especially when you could sell your gun in Mexico and easily buy it 2-3xs cheaper in The US .

The source for The Vice article was a professional gun smuggler who smuggled guns from The US to Mexico for a living until he got caught.Mexico has strict gun laws so criminals have to smuggle them in from The US,which of course brings up the price to buy them in Mexico.

 

[Tony Stark]

While crossing after deportation is a felony, tens of thousands do it due to family ties, necessity, or discretionary prosecution not being overly harsh due to circumstances outlined and government cost (last I checked a few yrs back). The majority of offenders are the same people that crossed the first time, not hardened criminals.

I know but Im having a gun smuggling discussion with Tsing.