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Quote from Gabfly1:

I think that adequate health care coverage for a population is more important than the health care business remaining in the private sector. Extrapolate from there. I don't know the numbers, but the more people who pay a reasonable premium into a large pool, the better the costs will be distributed and covered, with the overriding condition being one of universal coverage. The private health insurers don't have to play if they don't want to. But if they want to, then they should play by the new rules.

In the same way that BP has screwed up the Gulf, private health insurers in the aggregate have screwed up too many lives.
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Given the two choices of adequate health care vs. private sector providers, sure, I agree. I choose adequate heath care for the population. But the world isn't binary.

There are ways to do both. We just didn't go down that path. Tort reform would have been a good start.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

Given the two choices of adequate health care vs. private sector providers, sure, I agree. I choose adequate heath care for the population. But the world isn't binary.

There are ways to do both. We just didn't go down that path. Tort reform would have been a good start.
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Until Obama, no one was going down any path, despite some noble efforts in the past. As for tort reform, I think it has already been established that it is a relative drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/036480.html

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/12/tort-reform-could-save-health-care-54-billion-says-cbo/

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Quote from Gabfly1:

Until Obama, no one was going down any path, despite some noble efforts in the past. As for tort reform, I think it has already been established that it is a relative drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/036480.html

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/12/tort-reform-could-save-health-care-54-billion-says-cbo/

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I'm sure I can find youtube videos and websites that support the 2012 apocalypse theory, too. Whoop-dee-do.
 
Get rid of the Federal government completely and every state for themselves.

so if Alabama wants to have Segregation and the electorate votes for it, they can have it. That way if black people do not like it they can move o a different state.

And white people who hate blacks can move to Alabama,etc..

Free states would be the right way.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

I'm sure I can find youtube videos and websites that support the 2012 apocalypse theory, too. Whoop-dee-do.
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I'm sure you can. But not from legitimate sources.
 
Quote from TGregg:

. . . are about to pony up even more to "level the playing field" by "paying your fair share" and help those less fortunate. The One wants unlimited health care for all, which means suckers who take care of themselves will pay for the care of drug addled deadbeats. Of course, this is just phase 1 of the plan to make health insurance so damn expensive that most folks cannot afford it. Then it's time for the Big Government Insurance Plan. That should be a lot of fun. Hope you enjoy surgery in an operating room provided by the same methods that give us public restrooms.

Here's the gory details:

• A ban on lifetime coverage limits. More than 100 million people are enrolled in plans that currently impose such limits, the White House said.

• Phasing out annual coverage limits. Starting this year, plans can set annual limits no lower than $750,000. Such limits rise to $2 million in 2012, and will be completely prohibited in 2014.

• Forbidding insurers from canceling the policies of people who get sick. Unintentional mistakes on application forms cannot be used to revoke a policy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_health_overhaul
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Agree.

You cannot force people to be in the insurance business. If the climate becomes unfavorable they will quit the market like any other money would. Insurance is about Underwriters who are basically just investors. If the underwriters don't wish to back additionally policies there is nothing the government can do...maybe.

The government might say you must take all new policies if you are to do business. That would force many out of the market completely. So demand for insurance increases but availability decreases and prices rise.

I think its a system for establishing national healthcare in the form of socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is a lead-in for socialization of other services.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

Always gotta have the last word, right Gabfly?
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I wasn't planning to. Really. But you made a flip comment. Also your last post to me in the cigarette thread was fairly flippant, but I let that one go. I can only give you so much leeway.
 
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