Will the Fed pause on Tuesday?

What will the Fed announce on Tuesday?

  • The Fed will finally pause- I'm sure of it!

    Votes: 17 8.9%
  • I think the Fed will pause.

    Votes: 50 26.2%
  • I think the Fed will hike rates another quarter point.

    Votes: 67 35.1%
  • Quarter point rate hike coming on Tuesday- I'm sure of it!

    Votes: 35 18.3%
  • I have no clue what will happen.

    Votes: 22 11.5%

  • Total voters
    191
  • Poll closed .
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Do you think your target audience understands what you're saying? This would be like me answering your posts in Hebrew or Arabic.

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Quote from riskarb:

Buying back month vegas require paying a premium on duration vol. Add to that the fact that you're paying-up into a fed meeting. I can't imagine it feels good right now. Sure, we can hit your strikes, but it's a 6-sigma proposition.
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For the translation just break it down... You're buying back month volatility, and paying a premium that the volatility will hold over the long time span. Doing this into a fed meeting where vols will mostly likely drop after and doing it on an option that is six sigmas out of the money (has a 0.00000019732% chance of occuring)
 
Quote from damon_achey:

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Quote from riskarb:

Buying back month vegas require paying a premium on duration vol. Add to that the fact that you're paying-up into a fed meeting. I can't imagine it feels good right now. Sure, we can hit your strikes, but it's a 6-sigma proposition.
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For the translation just break it down... You're buying back month volatility, and paying a premium that the volatility will hold over the long time span. Doing this into a fed meeting where vols will mostly likely drop after and doing it on an option that is six sigmas out of the money (has a 0.00000019732% chance of occuring)

I got it.
I just meant that the lottery tickets guy probably wouldn't understand.
 
Quote from TA4ME:

Ok the markets were overbought when the fed paused. The fed is obviously expecting a slowdown in the economy. It seems it's time to short the market...Right?

i personally am short...but a bit nervous. i have been easing into a short position over the last week...and i am in the red..but my stops have not been hit. the markets seem to be undecisive (which for a bear like myself is good) but we keep getting whacky gap up, gap down opens.

it may not be a bad time to enter a short..but look at the double bottom (w formation) on the indices, and be aware that the market could rally back short term.

long term..short is the safe place to be i think.
 
Quote from damon_achey:

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Quote from riskarb:

Buying back month vegas require paying a premium on duration vol. Add to that the fact that you're paying-up into a fed meeting. I can't imagine it feels good right now. Sure, we can hit your strikes, but it's a 6-sigma proposition.
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For the translation just break it down... You're buying back month volatility, and paying a premium that the volatility will hold over the long time span. Doing this into a fed meeting where vols will mostly likely drop after and doing it on an option that is six sigmas out of the money (has a 0.00000019732% chance of occuring)

More loosely translated: Hope you didn't bet the farm on this trade.
 
Quote from dac8555:


it may not be a bad time to enter a short..but look at the double bottom (w formation) on the indices, and be aware that the market could rally back short term.

I am short too, I see what you see too, BUT, the W only shows in Dow and S&P, not in Nasdaq, so I don't see how it's going to rally without all 3 indice confirming each others.
 
Quote from BrandNewTrader:

I'm guessing this was supposed to be mildly sarcastic.

The trade is pretty straightforward and hinges on the impact of the coming recession on the markets. Comparing this coming severe recession to the mild recession we had in 2001 shows me that the SPY's fell to ~$80 by October 2002. Given that this recession will turn out to be much worse for both consumers and businesses than the previous - a conservative target "bottom" for the SPY's is between 70-85.

As for timing, we should be in recession by Q406 - Q1'07. By this time the market will have declined on the bleak growth outlook, but may not yet have crashed or suffered its worst declines to come. I expect that these events should take place throughout 2007, with the market hopefully bottoming out in mid to late 2007 and giving me a chance to get out of the Dec 07 puts without surrendering too much theta.

That's why I'm comfortable with the strike levels and expirations. The one thing that could get me is if events occur to manifest a slow and steady market decline through 2008. This would yield gains, but not the types of gains I'm gunning for.

Theta decay isn't too much of a concern since my options are so out of the money that theta won't become an issue until the several weeks leading up to expiration, if I am still holding the contracts.

As for me buying pure vega? Well, I'm not sure what you're getting at (riskarb) in referencing the upcoming Fed decision. I'm hoping to buy more contracts for my money in the event of a rally. The vega and/or implied vol levels are almost a non-issue since given my market view and expectation of severe price declines, market vol and the implied vol on my contracts will increase two to four-fold, thereby harnessing all the vega originally purchased. Is this what you were getting at? I'm not sure...

Anyway. I don't see why this is seen as a crapshoot. I admit that calling direction and timing is not something someone should publicize, let alone bet big money on. However, given the current state of the economy and all of the fundamental indicators it seems to me like anyone NOT expecting bad things for the market and economy going forward isn't paying attention to the big picture (too much focus on specific stocks/sectors? Watching too much Mad Money? I don't know...). As for timing - I'm only going so far as December 07 puts. The 08's are a little out there and way too expensive.

Oh, and I thought about ES puts, but I am electronic-only and I think the contraqcts only go out to Dec 2006. I am looking at the big S&P pit-traded futures contract, but have to get setup to trade pit futures. I will probably only buy a few puts for Dec 07 on this contract - not sure.

Also looking for ways to play the dollar without going pure currency. Looked at the currency ETF's but none of them have options, so may just stick with the CME eurodollar contract and gold. Any ideas on currency exposure to franc, krona, euro, yen without opening a currency trading account?

A constructive way of negating my long-dated OTM put strategy would be to outline why there's going to be a "soft landing" and no U.S recession... rather than telling me I'm buying lottery tickets.

Does anyone else have an idea for a play on this event (or similar) with same/better leverage? I'd love to hear it...


how's that working out for you with the es at @1350?
 
Quote from hans37:

how's that working out for you with the es at @1350?

he was told multiple times what a silly bet he was goin' to make. hope the guy been smart enough not to trow more than 5% of his acct in that ugly trade.
 
I think if they pause you're gonna see a 100-200 point gain in the following few days. I think the market is accounting for a rate hike.
 
Quote from Tuneman:

I think if they pause you're gonna see a 100-200 point gain in the following few days. I think the market is accounting for a rate hike.

<b>This is an old thread, discussing the August Fed meeting.</b>

One fellow was enthusiastically describing a trade he was heavily piling his cash into. I warned him about the trade, letting him know that his account was "on a collision course with disaster". Several other traders then agreed with my warning.

In the months since that exchange, the hapless trader who ignored my warning has been vigorously pounded like a rented gerbil, his position absolutely devastated. The thread was only re-animated now as an "I told you so" gesture.

Cassandra strikes yet again!
 
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