Why did God......

Quote from TraderZones:

Your teenage daughter drives. She has already had an accident in her life. You love her.

She is hours after her last drive. You tell her that she must not drive or she might die.

Then you leave the keys to the car on her bedside table. You are 100% sure she will drive, but you leave it there anyway.

Is that love?

Note - this is extensible to fatty foods and heart attacks or a large number of other daily risks in life...

You are comparing constructive with destructive. According to the story, God could have save a lot of trouble if he had simply left the trees out of the garden. Especially since he knew that Eve would act in a profoundly DESTRUCTIVE way. As far as Adam is concerned, he was a young man with the best woman God could provide, so he was no doubt pussy whipped, which God would also know. So why did he do it other than to set his children up to fail. I don't believe this, so the story must be wrong.
 
Quote from oddiduro:

You are comparing constructive with destructive. According to the story, God could have save a lot of trouble if he had simply left the trees out of the garden. Especially since he knew that Eve would act in a profoundly DESTRUCTIVE way. As far as Adam is concerned, he was a young man with the best woman God could provide, so he was no doubt pussy whipped, which God would also know. So why did he do it other than to set his children up to fail. I don't believe this, so the story must be wrong.

If God had made Adam and Eve perfect, they would not have used their free will to eat from the tree.
 
Quote from I am...:

So yes, Neo symbolizes the plight of all.
And,
The only way out is to recognize [accept] our reality as it is, and nOt as we would have it be by wishing to "be" something else.

The world symbolizes something else to "be".
So,
The world is a self-concept.
A self-concept is a virtual mask.
The world is like Mardi Gras and Halloween, twenty four seven three sixty five...all the time, for all time.
Behind all the many masks is the One.
The One hides behind *many*.
The *many* cannot "see" the One.
The One is the same, and equal for all.
The One is all and has all.
The One is perfect.
The One is the totality of abundance.
The One is the totality of joy and bliss.
The One is recognized as the masks are taken off and laid aside.
So,
The unmasking is also like a homecoming [think: "second coming"].
The One comes home from a masquerade party.
The One comes home when the party is no longer f.u.n. [unconscious fantasy].
The mask is unmasked when one thinks like the One.
Thinking of all as one is a first step.
Seeing all as one is a second step.
Knowing all as One is the final step back home.
This is the 'second coming' [homecoming] of the One, back up from its 'death' [disappearance, destruction] as the *many*.

Christ!

You speak as a monk from Shou Lin. The problem then is this, Shou Lin recieves its monks early in life, and becoming the Real is all that they study.

What then is your prescription to the suburbanite from America?

How can the children of Abraham possibly recieve this oneness?

They would have accept that everything they know is a lie.
 
Quote from smilingsynic:

If God had made Adam and Eve perfect, they would not have used their free will to eat from the tree.

Fair enough. Please explain the words, "in His image"?
 
Quote from smilingsynic:

If God had made Adam and Eve perfect, they would not have used their free will to eat from the tree.
If God had made Adam and Eve perfect, they would have had perfect free will.
 
Quote from oddiduro:

You are comparing constructive with destructive. According to the story, God could have save a lot of trouble if he had simply left the trees out of the garden. Especially since he knew that Eve would act in a profoundly DESTRUCTIVE way. As far as Adam is concerned, he was a young man with the best woman God could provide, so he was no doubt pussy whipped, which God would also know. So why did he do it other than to set his children up to fail. I don't believe this, so the story must be wrong.

You are presuming as a mortal, finite, tiny person with a very limited understanding and view, to decide how any being who might be all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. etc. etc. should act.

I doubt you could even grasp what was going on at a conference of PhD scientific researchers let alone such a Deity.

My leap is probably 1/trillion compared to your leap.
 
When “any being who might be all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. etc. etc.” is acting like a complete and utter bastard, then even a “mortal, finite, tiny person with a very limited understanding and view” will have the wherewithal to point such a Deity out . Being an all-knowing and all powerful Deity is no excuse to act like a total shit.
 
Quote from oddiduro:

Fair enough. Please explain the words, "in His image"?

Not my words, and I do not believe them. Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark, Lot's saltlick wife--all stories.
 
Quote from oddiduro:

You speak as a monk from Shou Lin. The problem then is this, Shou Lin recieves its monks early in life, and becoming the Real is all that they study.

What then is your prescription to the suburbanite from America?

How can the children of Abraham possibly recieve this oneness?

They would have accept that everything they know is a lie.

Ok.
Must reserve time, carving it out of activities that aren't necessary for maintainance.
The world is set up to be a distraction away from the truth.
Take care of whatever you believe is important.
This is not a path of deprivation or sacrifice or suffering or being different just to be different.
This path leads to sameness, equality, totality and abundance.
Others will make it in their own time.
Let it be a path of joy.
Don't let stu get you down. :D
Most of the work is the sorting of thoughts.
The thinking phase leads to a no thinking phase.
Comes a time for no thought.
Takes faith to believe that no thinking is productive.
While thinking, during daily activities, there are ways of thinking that keep progress moving foreward.
Can keep contemplation material nearby to occupy mindwork during idle times.
Can record contemplation material, mantras ect, and listen during idle times.
Begin with mantras you feel are true, though perhaps hard to understand.
Can use a single mantra all day.
Use another mantra the next day.
This is a mind-changing.
Must change the way one looks at the world and interprets.
Desire for freedom and liberation is most powerful for sorting priorities and selected contemplation material.
Much confusion slips away when desire for liberation is stoked.
Allow all things to be as they are.
The world functions perfectly as it is set up.
It answers a question.
Love it for what it is...nOt true.
Withdraw the kind of thoughts that lend it whatever truth it seems to have.
This may be a multi-year, part-time process.
If nOt make it in this generation, your learning is cummulative.
Consider a fast track to be perhaps two years.
Patience. It may be a generation or two or three.
Be kind to yourself.
Never is success dependent upon time.
Always is success correlated to willingness [desire] and readiness.
Most of the learning is learning to get out of the way.
This is to "make way for the Lord".
The "Lord" comes suddenly, the very moment of readiness.
One is preparing for a single moment when there is nothing left of "you" but an empty shell of trust.
Understand what it means to be ready.
Come to "the Lord" as the lord.
You are preparing to be the One.
The One is aware only of itself.
Ultimately, the One is nOt aware of what does not exist.
World brand thinking is what makes it go round.
So,
Comes a time for no world brand thinking.
These are times set aside from what is not essential for upkeep.
This is like fasting from thought.
Stop thinking about the world.
Thinking about it perpetuates one's experience in it.
Instead, be aware of awareness.
What is aware of thoughts?
Can approach total Awareness with regular, daily type awareness.
After, all, the One is only aware of Self and nothing else.
So this is preparing to be aware only of Self...which is total Awareness.
May be dry for a while.
May take two hours a day for a couple years.
May take a few twelve hour days.
ultimately, this is a waking process.
If you knew you were in a deep sleep, how would you wake yourself up?
Desire and priority are key.
Understanding it correlated to desire and willingness to let the Truth be the only experience you want.
This is a process that carefully rids from your experience the effects of the world brand thinking that causes all pain, suffering, confusion and worry.
World brand thinking is your "life".
So this is the proverbial laying down of your "life".
No one need know you are laying down your "life".
Share understanding if you feel joy in doing so.
Sharing is an attribute of Self. So it is an approach.
Merely thinking about the truth is sharing.
Truthful thoughts are shared with all the world.
And as you "give", you recieve...more and more.
Need no outward show or group memberships.
Guidance comes with guidance welcomed.
Intent is key.
Intend all things, events and circumstances to serve your purpose.
Intend that all your guidance come from deep within...from Self.
Learn to trust your feelings.
True guidance lends itself to a feeling of certainty.
Align your purpose to be the One.
Identify with the One.
Let all else be washed away.
Be encouraged.
Your current thought processes are well suited to the goal.
It is a path of questioning everything you thought was true.
And, replacing it with the experience of the Truth.

These are just some helpful hints.

GoDspeeD,

Christ!
 
Quote from TraderZones:

You are presuming as a mortal, finite, tiny person with a very limited understanding and view, to decide how any being who might be all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. etc. etc. should act.

I doubt you could even grasp what was going on at a conference of PhD scientific researchers let alone such a Deity.

My leap is probably 1/trillion compared to your leap.

A group of PhDs would not conduct an experiment with a probability of 100 failure:D

If you had any education you would know this.

Rethink your analogy.
 
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