Why did God......
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Quote from murray t turtle:
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oDDID-URO;
Would you/daughter think it strange that my Dad & mom did not hardly let me eat sweets often, or white bread. But they loved me much, told me they did, love me ,hugged me.
I hope you love your daughter[God bless her!];
enough to keep her from eating anything/all she wants.
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Another lesson from that Book of Genesis incident;
ther are some God ordained limits to man, or an evil empire.
Also Adam & Eve were adults;
personal responsibility is part of life, reguardless of redemption beliefs or Bible beliefs.Does the media have you playing the blame game??????They got to eat all except {one} tree
Free will /choices are important to God;
i hope your daughter learns the Bible as a kid, best time.
You missed the point.
Let me try again.
Your wife is a heroin addict. She wants a sober life. You love her.
She is days out of detox. You tell her that she must not use or she might die.
Then you leave a foil of heroin on her bedside table. You are 100% sure she will use, but you leave it there anyway.
Is that love?
Quote from I am...:
Brother, since I do not know if you are oddiduro, I will call you Peter..."the rock"!
Your articulation of my position is most prescient.
I can see that you grasp the main points quickly.
Open your mind one more time and try to get your head around this next one.
Home is Self.
Self is the totality of everything.
The totality of everything has no "place".
The world inludes the concept that there can be a "place" for the Son of God to "lay his head".
But, in fact, it is impossible to place limits, or otherwise define what knows no place, nor time in which to be "there".
Once you grasp this, you can then comprehend how it is that the whole world is "within you"...and...how the entire "Kingdom of God" is also "within you".
The world is in you as an idea.
The idea functions as a speck in your eye, temporarily blinding you to what is "in front of your face".
What is "in front" of you is all that is you.
What is "in front" of man's eyes is all that is nOt you.
All experiences are your experience, though you seem to be limited to only one.
All experience is your experience, whether true or false, fake or real, truth or illusion.
What is in front of the face of man is a tiny - crazy - thought in his true mind.
The tiny thought blinds man entirely to what gives rise to the thought.
The thought is blinding, and is intended to blind.
So,
Where is this mind?
Where is this mind that is playing games?
Where is the mind that is ending games?
Where is the mind that never knew of such games?
Where is the mind that would laugh at such games?
This cannot be defined and has no meaning in reality.
It is through seeking no place that we find our true "place".
That place is our "home".
When you look at the world, you see only what is nOt representative of your mind.
The world is a mask over your mind.
The world buries your mind under layers of sub/un/consciousness, and all kinds of "dirt".
The entire sub/un/conscious structure is for keeping secrets.
The split levels of mind are for self-deception.
The split levels are for self-sabatoge.
There are really no split levels of your mind.
The splits and levels are part of a grand game.
In reality, you know everything, all at once.
Every thought you have is shared with the totality instantly.
There are no thoughts that exist outside of your mind.
The thoughts of GoD are within your mind.
Your mind is equal in magnitude and scope to that of the One who has gifted it to you.
In brief,
You are "home", as you really are.
You are nOt home, as a self-cOncept. [think: "con" cept]
The world is a singular self-concept.
Hence,
"Know thy Self".
I sometimes call Self "Christ".
There are really no words to describe.
But if there was a word, it would be a single word, ie. Christ!
There are no limits!
The difference in experience is the difference between being aware or unaware.
Going home is all about rising above a temporarily constricted awareness.
The metaphor for this process is to go from sleep to awake.
Home is full awareness.
Home is the knowledge of oneness, without split level games.
GoDspeeD,
Christ!
In short, we are all Neo. We have merely to recognize that reality.
Is that what you are saying?
I like your succinct use of words. That is the great thing about parables. Just a few words get across an otherwise hard to understand idea.
Yes, Neo symbolizes an eloquent parable.
In the parable of Neo, "man" represents the real, and the machine represents the manipulative self-interested...er, machine!
I've compared S.a.t.a.n. to a machine-mind that functions as a separation analogue. It is the most sophisticated and powerful computer in the world. In fact, it makes the world. So it is given a name. It's function is masked by benevolent names such as "Consciousness", "Energy", "Divine intelligence", "Christ consciousness" ..."God"..."G-d"..."Allah" ..."Jehovah"..."Spirit"..."Holy Spirit".
Deception is its function. I call it "gOd"...the gOd of the big "O". This is the gOd of the physical body-machine and its functions such as...the "big O".
Much of the technology of the world actually mimics the kind of tricks the machine uses to control. Memory is one example. Think of the world as a script
Code:
written and stored on some elaborate memory device, which plays out over "time"...another trick.
In the formation of the "Matrix" that is "the world", the Real combines with the unreal [machine] to form a hybrid: "Man". But it also includes "beast" and "every creeping thing". The real is "One", while man is *many*. The physical body is actually machinery. And the Mind of the One seems to be imprisoned within it, dumbed down, held by chains of ignorance.
The machinery makes the many appear to be the real, while "the One" is the true Light which is utterly blotted out by dark concepts. The Real needs the true Light to truly live, while the machine needs the concepts...and most importantly, the [i]belief[/i] that it is real. Ironically, its belief must come from the Real Mind. But as it sucks belief through its many deceptions, compromises the integrity of the One, and virtually destroys the capacity of the One's mind to function properly. As it divides the One's mind, it conquers it.
Belief is the energy the machine needs to keep running. It seems that belief is not powerful. But it is. When belief is supplied by the One, the machine takes on a "liFe" of its own, and fights to survive inside the mind of the One. The machine imediately goes to work to [i]possess[/i] the mind of the One...for as long as possible. Hence, time. Its domain is time. Its days are numbered, and it somehow senses this and defends itself by wasting your time.
"Man" is a device the machine uses to confuse the mind of the One. As the One gives belief to the machine, it begins to think with it, and the thinking process transforms the One into the *many*. And now, the *many* are extremely confused as to their genesis, their minds utterly controlled by the machine...even their actions. The only thing real about man is Mind...rather, the Mind's choice to believe instead of [i]know[/i]. Everything else is false, even the thoughts of man.
The many are given the appearance of autonomy. That appearance is utterly false. The strings which attach the mind of the many to the mind of the machine are well hidden. If I tried to exlain to you how the mind of man is plugged into the machine, you would scorn me and tell me I am crazy. The machine is very interested in making itself the [i]real[/i], while making the real Real appear to be insane. The machine *sells* each one his own autonomy...his own reality. It gives "gifts". But all its gifts are defenses...like Trojan horses.
Like the machine, man would like to think he is autonomous. But the only power man has left is the power to choose which mind he will think with: the mind of the One, or, the mind of the machine. As man decides to think with the Mind of the One, he will begin to withdraw belief from the mind of the machine. This means that the many must begin to doubt their own existence. This is hard for the many who pride themselves on their autonomy, and their so-called reality, concealing the fact that they are secret slaves of a mechanical dominatrix.
Faith, extracted from the One through deception is how the machine survives. As each one of the many withdraws faith in himself, he also withdraws a little bit of faith from the machine. As each one withdraws faith in his alleged autonomous self, the machine begins to "die"...shut down...turn off.
The One shows each man where the *kill switch* is that takes the "liFe" out of the machine. And when each man kills the machine that runs his mind, he begins to think with the One and as the One.
In time, the One is in the process of withdrawing all faith invested in the machine since before time ever was or seemed to be. The One instructs each one of the many as they are ready...when they are "weary" of the machines dominance. As each follows the instructions carefully and exactly, the many are freed to be the One again.
As one thinks with the One, he cannot maintain a physical presence anymore within "the world". He must ascend, transcend, overcome...disappear...or otherwise [i]exodus[/i] a place of slavery.
Christ!=================
o]OK,Oddiduro,hi,
sounds like he made a winning case for not having your loved daughter[blessed i named her] ;
eat anything she wants. Cool
hi] Well most prople are interested in a daily high or low;
so you asked a tough question......................................
m-hi] Well i like stocker nickname, mentioning a personal relationship with Lord Jesus, so i will talk to the most High God about this. No high like the most high God.
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In order to take a non helpful bone away from a hungry dog;
try a T-bone steak.Not calling any a dog, just an illiutration.
Also in many faith in God solved cases, there is more than one way to do it;your wife could see a change in your blessd daughter[i named her blessed] and want[crave] the peace & joy that come from a high , bigger /better than drugs
One has to wonder about a gOd which constantly repeats that it is the "most high".
Me thinks it protesteth too much.
What man thinks of as "high" is heroin.
What man thinks of as the "most high" is the gOd of the big "O".
The gOd of the big O is man's maker.
Man cannot imagine anything higher.
The gOd of the big O is the one most people worship during the "big O".
The big O acts like heroin does within the human machine.
One could argue, then, that the gOd of the big O is like one who takes money for the illusion of love.
As you give it belief, it takes your power and sells you your own endorphins [morphine from within].
In this way, it hooks the body-machine to gOd's version of "heaven".
There are words to describe one who takes money for the illusion of love.
"Whore of Babylon" comes to mind.
Translated: the hooker of confusion.
The hooker of confusion rides on the back of guilty pleasures.
To the One, separation is a guilty pleasure.
Separation, obviously, is the sacrifice of One-ness.
Oneness is true love.
So,
It is the sacrifice of oneness that "pays" for the illusion of love.
It is not possible to ever find true love among so many separated separatists.
What separatists call "making love" is more like self-affirmation.
"Making love" affirms the "reality" of the separated ones as they pray to the gOd of separation, ie. "O gOd!, O gOd!, O gOd!".
And when "making love" concieves of another separatist, there is often more prayer: "O my gOd!".
Born to die, the separatists invoke the same, "most high" gOd that gives them "liFe" in the first place.
And so,
The "liFe cycle" keeps on truckin.
Round and round the "wheel of life" we go...going nowhere in particular.
Until...
We go home.
Christ!
Even the Turtle, slow on the uptake, concedes you make a winning case here.
The question remains, why do so many separate believers believe in something as insane as a "tree" in the middle of Paradise, the fruit of which brings "evil" to one's experience.
I've mentioned that these beliefs are buried deep within a confused sub/un/conscious collective mind.
I will attempt to exlain why the collective mind is so confused, and yet so convinced that something terrible happened regarding the genesis of this world.
If what I am about to explain really happened, it would be a terrible thing, and terribly confusing.
I suggest that there is a deep-seeded belief that the terrible thing actually happened.
And so...
There is great confusion as to its cause.
If interpreted in light of the One, the symbols of the confused sub/un/conscious may be used to enlighten, rather than for obscuring the the true Light.
Think of Hebrew genesis lore this way:
The true creation is the creation of the One...aka Christ.
Like from like, Christ is immensly powerful...unlimited.
The legendary "apple" can be translated to mean a singular idea.
The idea may be described as the idea of the separation of the One.
The One is everything.
So,
The idea is about the separation of everything from everthing.
Think of "Adam" as the One which begins to consider the idea of separation, curiously.
Consideration gives way to a kind of sleep-trance.
And the first thing that comes to mind is the idea of something separate with [her] own mind.
And this is considered "good" or otherwise "beautiful".
The moral is this:
The idea of separation is tempting.
As the idea is considered more and more, the mind of the One becomes drowsy.
The moment the "apple" is "eaten" [digested] is the moment when the mind of the One declares by fiat of judgment:
"Everything is different from everything".
Or,
"The One is separate".
This can be symbolized by the "big bang".
This declaration must have effects.
The effect is "the world".
Think of the world as an apple, or, hologram.
The hologram is finite.
And yet, it seems infinite.
As such, the hologram is a combination of attributes.
The hologram seems to combine the real and the unreal.
If the real is the "good" then the unreal is the "evil".
The effect is a world in which there is "good and evil".
But in such a place, the good is not truly good, and the evil is not truly evil.
In other words, such a place is ....meaningless.
And yet, the hologram seems to make the meaningless meaningful.
It seems to make nothing everything.
In this way, it mocks the One, and turns it upside down and backwards.
In this way, it virtually destroys the One.
Guilt arises out of the sense that the One has been mocked and destroyed.
The mind then splits into levels and hides its guilt in the sub/un/conscious.
From there, guilt demands punishment.
From there, self-sabotage proceeds to make man's "liFe" a living hell.
Christ!
So yes, Neo symbolizes the plight of all.
And,
The only way out is to recognize [accept] our reality as it is, and nOt as we would have it be by wishing to "be" something else.
The world symbolizes something else to "be".
So,
The world is a self-concept.
A self-concept is a virtual mask.
The world is like Mardi Gras and Halloween, twenty four seven three sixty five...all the time, for all time.
Behind all the many masks is the One.
The One hides behind *many*.
The *many* cannot "see" the One.
The One is the same, and equal for all.
The One is all and has all.
The One is perfect.
The One is the totality of abundance.
The One is the totality of joy and bliss.
The One is recognized as the masks are taken off and laid aside.
So,
The unmasking is also like a homecoming [think: "second coming"].
The One comes home from a masquerade party.
The One comes home when the party is no longer f.u.n. [unconscious fantasy].
The mask is unmasked when one thinks like the One.
Thinking of all as one is a first step.
Seeing all as one is a second step.
Knowing all as One is the final step back home.
This is the 'second coming' [homecoming] of the One, back up from its 'death' [disappearance, destruction] as the *many*.
Christ!
Your teenage daughter drives. She has already had an accident in her life. You love her.
She is hours after her last drive. You tell her that she must not drive or she might die.
Then you leave the keys to the car on her bedside table. You are 100% sure she will drive, but you leave it there anyway.
Is that love?
Note - this is extensible to fatty foods and heart attacks or a large number of other daily risks in life...
So, in an attempt to keep the discussion on topic I'll continue with the interpretation of symbolism from here.
Indeed, the gOd of the bible is insane.
And,
The story is mixed up.
So it is confusing, deliberatly or otherwise.
It cannot fool anyone truly interested in freedom.
It fools anyone not truly interested in freedom.
You will find that it fools those who are interested in separation.
For,
It is a story which justifies separation, and declares it to be the truth.
As such,
The story is wrong.
In Reality,
There has never been nor ever will be a "person" or, "people", or "man".
It matters not what man does, just as it matters not what elves and unicorns do.
It also doesn't matter or what a fairy or what stu does.
The world is a story to be believed.
As such,
It is not more deserving of our faith than J.K. Rowling.
When an infinitely powerful mind believes a story, the story seems to come to "liFe".
Stories come to life in One's imagination.
Stories seem to suck us in to various plots.
Likewise,
The world tempts the One to consider the impossible as if probable.
The world has never been more than hyped up hypothetic conjecture.
Hypothetically, the wise One can be reduced to a pathetic fool.
The world *proves* it.
Hypothetically, the innocent One can be proven guilty.
The world *proves* it by making guilt seem justified.
Without guilt,
There is no story.
Guilt is foundational to the story.
As such,
The world is largely about justifying guilt.
Guilt lends reality to the world.
Conversely,
The reality of the world lends reality to guilt.
"Keep it real" really means, keep the hypothetical story real.
As such, the story is the story of many.
The many are secretly agreed to "keep it real".
This is the truest meaning of "Old Testament".
The Old Testament is a secret covenent to make a story real, and keep it real...forever.
The truest meaning of the New Testament is to break the Old Testament.
The New Testament would reduce the hypothetical story to what it is...a meaningless story.
So,
The New Testament is the story of how the story is untold.
The New Testament is a *new agreement* to untell the old story.
The untelling is the unmasking of the story.
So,
The Old Testament is a covert agreement.
And,
The New Testament is an overt agreement.
The New Testament is an agreement to keep the old story unreal.
The Old Story is a story of separation, conflict, murder, war, betrayal, loss, guilt and fear.
The New STory is about oneness, peace, life, celebration, unity, abundance, innocence and love.
This is the story of Reality.
The New Testament is an agreement to keep Reality real.
The New Story will end the Old Story.
The end of the New Story is the end of the world.
Reality is not a story.
Reality is.
A story is nOt.
Christ!