Why did Europe open the door so much for Islamics?

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No, it's not. Boatloads of third-world refugees are fast-tracked through the system and put on welfare, while other skilled and well-heeled immigrants wait at the back of the line, sometimes for years. Nobody wants these Muslim refugees here. 9/10 Americans, real Americans (white or black), don't want Mexicans overrunning the country. Part of the reason refugees are given priority access to European and Canadian immigration courts - it's a political steam-valve to promote stability in the middle-east. Many of these refugees have a criminal and seditious history, we'd rather police here, than topple Governments, over there. That's why Canada imports so many Kurds, as does the the EU. The State Department lists the Kurdish Liberation Army as a terrorist organization, yet Canada and Europe rubberstamp tons of Kurdish refugees who claim affiliation with the KLA. Why? Turkey is a hugely important NATO ally and their strong Kurdish minority represents a real threat to Turkeys stability..

As for the rest of it, Western fertility is plunging, while sterility has gone parabolic. Food additives, pesticides, GMO and BPA are responsible for that. Those are all "Federally Approved", at one level, or another. The media vilify multi-child families as enemies of the environment while hold up China's one child policy, as a good thing. The over-population meme is drummed into our heads every time we watch TV. We're not replacing ourselves, and the immigrants we do let in, many are borderline criminal, and at the least, broke off their ass and a financial drain on society. They view the nations social services as something to be gamed, rather than conserved.
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I am not really sure what you're referring to here... I can only speak for the UK and parts of Europe that I am familiar with. I certainly see zero evidence that all of these dire things you're describing. In fact, I don't really understand where all these sweeping generalizations are coming from.
 
Quote from Brass:

Precisely. THAT is my point.
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You don't have a point. You're projecting half-baked stereotypes on the world and confused when they don't reconcile. Now, if you have a question, go ahead and ask it.
 
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I am not really sure what you're referring to here... I can only speak for the UK and parts of Europe that I am familiar with. I certainly see zero evidence that all of these dire things you're describing. In fact, I don't really understand where all these sweeping generalizations are coming from.
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Zero evidence? What cave are you living in, friend? Everything I said is well documented. As far as immigrants go, third-worlders are unproductive and a net drain on the system. Your an economics guy. You should know this. Productivity is determined by overall health, literacy, fluency, education, skill set. Most third-worlders we import, Muslim or not, lack in every single category. That means even if they get a job when they come here (or there), and many of them don't, they earn peanuts. Minimum wage, while sucking back handouts, especially health benefits. In America, Mexicans are a big net drain on State finances. Why do you suppose that is?
 
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No, that would be you reading yourself into my question. Projection, as it were. I am not embarrassed about my views, so I don't expect you to be embarrassed about your beliefs.
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You're full of sh*t, dude. Anything else? Or is that it?
 
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Zero evidence? What cave are you living in, friend? Everything I said is well documented. As far as immigrants go, third-worlders are unproductive and a net drain on the system. Your an economics guy. You should know this. Productivity is determined by overall health, literacy, fluency, education, skill set. Most third-worlders we import, Muslim or not, lack in every single category. That means even if they get a job when they come here (or there), and many of them don't, they earn peanuts. Minimum wage, while sucking back handouts, especially health benefits. In America, Mexicans are a big net drain on State finances. Why do you suppose that is?
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well there are exceptions i guess, i remembered when i was at college, a close friend of mine told me that when his dad first came from China to the USA, he couldn't even speak English and worked in grimy restaurants to put himself through school, community college, bachelors and eventually a masters from Upenn.

Anyway he did very well for himself and his family, much more than many Americans that I know.
 
OK, let’s check the facts on this Muslim takeover of Europe:

Let’s just take the bigger ones, by percentage of Muslims in each Country, and as a percentage of the World Muslim population. In that order.

EUROPE: 6.0% and 2.7%
AMERICAS 0.6% and .0.3%
WORLD TOTAL 23.4and 100% of course
Austria: 5.7% and <0.1%
Belgium 6.0% and <0.1%
Finland 0.8% and <0.1%
France 7.5% and 0.3%
Germany 5.0% and 0.3%
Greece 4.7% and < 0.1%
Italy 2.6% and 0.1%
Netherlands 5.5% and0.1%
Norway 3.0% and <0.1%
Portugal 0.6% and <0.1%
Spain 2.3% and 0.1%
Switzerland 5.7% and <0.1%
Sweden 4.9% and <0.1%
United Kingdom 4.6% and 0.2%
USA 0.8% and 0.2%

For fun:, top Muslim Countries:
Iran = 99.6%
Iraq = 98.9%
Jordan = 98.8


Seems pretty small overall, and it seems that most of them 'Muslims' are in their home Countries. Hardly a mass immigration issue IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population


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OK, let’s check the facts on this Muslim takeover of Europe:

Let’s just take the bigger ones, by percentage of Muslims in each Country, and as a percentage of the World Muslim population. In that order.

EUROPE: 6.0% and 2.7%
AMERICAS 0.6% and .0.3%
WORLD TOTAL 23.4and 100% of course
Austria: 5.7% and <0.1%
Belgium 6.0% and <0.1%
Finland 0.8% and <0.1%
France 7.5% and 0.3%
Germany 5.0% and 0.3%
Greece 4.7% and < 0.1%
Italy 2.6% and 0.1%
Netherlands 5.5% and0.1%
Norway 3.0% and <0.1%
Portugal 0.6% and <0.1%
Spain 2.3% and 0.1%
Switzerland 5.7% and <0.1%
Sweden 4.9% and <0.1%
United Kingdom 4.6% and 0.2%
USA 0.8% and 0.2%

For fun:, top Muslim Countries:
Iran = 99.6%
Iraq = 98.9%
Jordan = 98.8


Seems pretty small overall, and it seems that most of them 'Muslims' are in their home Countries. Hardly a mass immigration issue IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population


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So there are as many muslims in the USA as in the UK? guess they are all in Michigan..
 
Quote from achilles28:
Zero evidence? What cave are you living in, friend? Everything I said is well documented. As far as immigrants go, third-worlders are unproductive and a net drain on the system. Your an economics guy. You should know this. Productivity is determined by overall health, literacy, fluency, education, skill set. Most third-worlders we import, Muslim or not, lack in every single category. That means even if they get a job when they come here (or there), and many of them don't, they earn peanuts. Minimum wage, while sucking back handouts, especially health benefits. In America, Mexicans are a big net drain on State finances. Why do you suppose that is?
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I am living in the center of the UK capital city, London, so I daresay I have some experience with these "third-worlders". Moroever, I am sort of a "third-worlder" immigrant myself and have a lot of friends who are similar. I would absolutely love to see some of this "well documented evidence", especially if you can point me to anything for the UK. Again, I am not going to argue with you about the Mexicans in the US, simply because I don't have any experience or knowledge of the issue (note that the OP's question had nothing to do with that). So not really sure who those "third-worlder importing we" might be.

Finally, let me also leave you with a provocative thought. You look at Japan, a "Western" country that is steadfastly refusing (for a variety of complicated reasons) to adopt any sort of immigration as a demographic solution. How are things looking for them?
 
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Finally, let me also leave you with a provocative thought. You look at Japan, a "Western" country that is steadfastly refusing (for a variety of complicated reasons) to adopt any sort of immigration as a demographic solution. How are things looking for them?
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Isn't Russia also facing the same demographic problems?

I guess its a fair point..after Singapore opened its doors, their economy has exploded in the last 10 years or so... I read that 40% of their population are foreign born
 
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