Why did Europe open the door so much for Islamics?

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
Honestly the above is an ideal inconsistent with the welfare state.

Stupidly trying to both will simply bankrupt us faster than an isolated welfare state.

I prefer we forgo the welfare state in it's entirety and try to live the direction our founding fathers pointed us rather than follow the pied piper of destructive collectivism.
In my humble opinion, the truth is never at one of the extreme ends of the spectrum, but rather somewhere in the middle. That middle ground is hard to find, though.
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

In my humble opinion, the truth is never at one of the extreme ends of the spectrum, but rather somewhere in the middle. That middle ground is hard to find, though.

I'm sorry but economically there is no room for a middle-ground approach and it's the economics that invades our reality.

Otherwise I wouldn't care one whit what stupid philosophies people entertain.
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

In my humble opinion, the truth is never at one of the extreme ends of the spectrum, but rather somewhere in the middle. That middle ground is hard to find, though.

+1, of course. That's where thinking people reside, not at an extreme. Things simply get gridlocked when fanaticism sets in.


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Quote from Martinghoul:

I am not really sure what you're referring to here... I can only speak for the UK and parts of Europe that I am familiar with. I certainly see zero evidence that all of these dire things you're describing. In fact, I don't really understand where all these sweeping generalizations are coming from.

It's coming from the little righty paranoid voice in his head. Echoes of Glen Beck and Rush reverberate in there. BUY GOLD AND GUNS !!!!!!
 
Quote from cgroupman:

Do you even read opposing posts? I think I totally disproved the OP's premise with facts regarding the percentage of Muslims in many European countries, and Europe as a whole. Are you just plain against the billions of Muslims, or just liberals, or both? Hardly a Christian view, right? I have seen and heard many men of the Cloth preach comfort for the other religions, why not you?


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If I were to comment on whether Phoenix is a good Christian or not I might fell compelled to take him off ignore.......so I won't.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

If I were to comment on whether Phoenix is a good Christian or not I might fell compelled to take him off ignore.......so I won't.
So I see you are choosing my religion for me now.

Isn't that always the deal with LIEbrals, deigning to make choices for you since apparently they are SOO superior?
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
I'm sorry but economically there is no room for a middle-ground approach and it's the economics that invades our reality.

Otherwise I wouldn't care one whit what stupid philosophies people entertain.
I am also sorry, but I completely disagree... In my experience, the middle-ground approach is the only one that works, in economics and elsewhere. Extremes, of either variety, are simply not viable.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

If I were to comment on whether Phoenix is a good Christian or not I might fell compelled to take him off ignore.......so I won't.

And his spelling is not improving. Still types 'Liebral' - but, seriously, I don't use ignore, I just chuckle. When people become so obsessed in their biases, or their religion, you cannot sway them with objectivity. They generally have such sad lives that they seek some sort of comfort in playing childish word games.

Does add some fun to boring day. The silly typing is just like watching someone squirm in their seats when confronted with logic that dispels their belief system. Oh well.


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Quote from Martinghoul:

I am also sorry, but I completely disagree... In my experience, the middle-ground approach is the only one that works, in economics and elsewhere. Extremes, of either variety, are simply not viable.

Why do you think it is so hard for so many to understand this basic, simple logic? I can understand the political pundits, who get paid for saying outrageous things they don't even believe, or just make up. And they are the first to switch sides if need by to stay employed. But simple online discussion groups with such wasted energy is, well, a waste IMO.


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Quote from Martinghoul:

I am also sorry, but I completely disagree... In my experience, the middle-ground approach is the only one that works, in economics and elsewhere. Extremes, of either variety, are simply not viable.

The problem with yielding "middle ground" is it eventually ends in bankruptcy? Europe is a great example. For decades, "reasonable" social programs were adopted, and benefit plans paid out. Over time, it was only "reasonable" to expand such programs and pay out even higher and higher benefits to recipients, who by now, included everyone from pretty much every walk of life. Even Corporations! After all, in the interests of fairness, nobody could be denied a seat at the table. Lets be reasonable, after all... Europe also adopted "reasonable" free trade policies because they wanted to avoid the oft touted "evils" of protectionism. The problem with that is a good portion of their industrial base, migrated to Asia. 30 years later, and Europe is paying most her bills with debt. As is America. Soon the credit card will run out and we won't be able to afford all of our "reasonable" entitlement programs our citizens have come to expect, in the interest of "fairness" and "equality"....?
 
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