When All Else Fails Blame "Free Markets"

[piezoe]

you can b.s. all you want about what you think Obama and pelosi secretly wanted... ... but in the end they want money and they get the money from the cronies.
why do you think Obama has all these fundraisers...

You can watch the video at this link. It will explain to you that the same team that created medicare part D... created Obamacare.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamasdeal/view/

To navigate the process of health reform, President Obama turned to his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, a consummate deal maker, who helped stock the West Wing with an all-star lineup of congressional insiders. But almost immediately, a key member of the team was forced to step down, and the country's greatest champion of health reform, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), was sidelined with incurable brain cancer. The administration's hopes for reform rested with Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), the powerful head of the Senate Finance Committee, who also happened to be one of the Senate's top recipients of special interest money from the health care industry.

The White House encouraged Baucus to quietly negotiate deals with the insurance lobby, drug companies and other special interest groups, despite promises to run a different kind of White House. "The president said that having people at the table is better than having them throw stuff at the table," White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer tells FRONTLINE.

Thank you Jem for, at last, posting the truth (And I'm glad you're, at last, getting your information from PBS rather than Fox News.) Now, finally, you can see that everything you have posted about Obama, Pelosi and Reid re health care has been horseshit. .. The final bill, as horrible, and as flawed as it is, is about deal making in Washington, about what is required, in a democratic process, to do anything of great importance. It can't be done without concession to special interests. Don't ever subject us to your crap again.

 

[futurecurrents]

I've forgotten. Who are the Republicans that pushed so hard for single payer and begged Obama and the Democrats to put it to a vote?

There were not any Rs. Nor did there need to be to get legislation passed.
How many times do I have to type this.

The Democrats screwed america all by themselves.
they could have delivered single payer or the public option on a party line vote.

They might be heroes now.
But instead they sold us out to their crony paymasters.

A look into the deranged world of the lying sack of shit jerm and his righty moron friends.

No R's were in support but it's the dem's fault. Un fucking believable.

 

[murray t turtle]

The banks are one of the most, if not the most, heavily regulated industries in America.

Hedge funds are completely unregulated.

... and needed a bailout.

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Sounds like BAC + C need more regs, fines,LOL

 

[jem]

1. this is the at least the 4th time I have presented that link to you.
you actually read that link on another thread 10 months ago... at the time you had stated Republicans killed the public option.

I am amazed after months of my presenting it to you... you finally chose to digest the truth. If you now actually watch the frontline special... you will see what whores your party and its leaders are. (and the establishment republicans)


2. "Concession to special interests" is establishment code.

a. Special interests... those who fund the establishment dems and rs.
b. Concession... screwing the people out of the public option or single payer.

3. here olbermann explains the cheesy counterfeit reform.

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/zReFgfodNb0?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thank you Jem for, at last, posting the truth (And I'm glad you're, at last, getting your information from PBS rather than Fox News.) Now, finally, you can see that everything you have posted about Obama, Pelosi and Reid re health care has been horseshit. .. The final bill, as horrible, and as flawed as it is, is about deal making in Washington, about what is required, in a democratic process, to do anything of great importance. It can't be done without concession to special interests. Don't ever subject us to your crap again.

 

[dbphoenix]

So, again, what evidence do you have that Repubs were so much in favor of single payer?

 

[jem]

how man ways can I say most or all republicans were not in favor of single payer.
the democrats championed single payer and the public option.
then when they had the chance they sold out. pelosi reid obama and others forced just about every dem in congress to sell out to the cronies.

So, again, what evidence do you have that Repubs were so much in favor of single payer?

 

[dbphoenix]

how man ways can I say most or all republicans were not in favor of single payer.
the democrats championed single payer and the public option.
then when they had the chance they sold out. pelosi reid obama and others forced just about every dem in congress to sell out to the cronies.

So Repubs were 100% against it, but it was 100% Dems fault that it didn't go through.

Interesting thought process there.

 

[WeToddDid2]

Hillary Clinton has confirmed, to a paying audience of 20,000 sellers of electronic health records systems, that she supports Obamacare, and opposes single-payer health insurance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/hillary-clinton-likes-oba_b_4881399.html

 

[jem]

So Repubs were 100% against it, but it was 100% Dems fault that it didn't go through.

Interesting thought process there.

now you are getting it.
the dems passed obamacare on a party line vote with no republicans.
so they could have passed single payer or the public option also without any republicans.
the fact they did not shows you they sold us out.

get it now?

 

[dbphoenix]

now you are getting it.
the dems passed obamacare on a party line vote with no republicans.
so they could have passed single payer or the public option also without any republicans.
the fact they did not shows you they sold us out.

get it now?

They passed it due to the concessions that had to be made as a result of the lack of Repub support.

Get it now?