What happens when there are too many guns in America

gwb-trading said:
I have outlined my thoughts on gun control on ET multiple times. However people don't want to have a serious discussion about gun control on ET.

Here is my summary once again...
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...victims-police-say.318269/page-8#post-4606411

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I actually believe that some reform of gun laws are needed. This puts me at odds with a number of posters on ET and the NRA.

Similar to vaccines, the manufacturers and/or importers of guns should pay a fee for each unit to a fund that is used to compensate victims of those who use guns improperly. Vaccines do this now for people who endure severe side effects.

Of course the above puts me at odds with the NRA and others, but I believe some types of reforms are needed in gun laws. Additionally there should be a focus on requiring proper training, getting criminal using guns off the streets for long periods of time, and nationwide laws regarding concealed-carry & permitting.

The federal government has already defined in law that they can legally restrict what guns you are allowed to own; this is why we cannot walk around the streets with machine guns (fully automatic weapons) and rocket grenade launchers. These restrictions are not deemed to be a violation of your second amendment rights -- which also means the federal government can certainly (and legally) extend the restrictions to magazine sizes, weapons types, bump stocks, and other gun related items --- which I believe at some point they will do.

There also needs to be measures taken to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unfit. This character in the school shooting being one example. If you are expelled from a school for making threats then you should not legally be purchasing guns for some defined period of time until a professional who provides you with treatment pronounces you are mentally sound.

Generally I believe we need better screening when someone purchases a gun in the U.S. - so people with mental illness cannot get their hands on weapons. There are plenty of others that disagree with me about further gun regulations but I think the time has arrived to come together and address the issue.

IMO -- the following things are needed in the U.S.:

1) Require all private guns sales be registered with the government.
2) Background screening for all gun purchases.
3) Increase buyback programs to get guns off the streets.
4) Mandatory minimum of 10 years for a drug or robbery crime committed with a gun.
5) Destruction of all guns seized in crimes (unless it was stolen and the original owner is obvious).
6) Make bump stocks illegal.
7) Reduce allowed magazine sizes.
8) Get gun education back into schools (like when I was a kid).

Some of my previous thoughts on gun control on ET...

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-what-else-is-new.314795/page-14#post-4546369

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-most-moral-issues.316581/page-6#post-4575922

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-make-a-difference.315177/page-3#post-4548566

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-what-else-is-new.314795/page-15#post-4546557

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-what-else-is-new.314795/page-15#post-4546456
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Some of us would like to discuss it, but you're too afraid to take them off ignore because you're too embarrassed about your COVID silliness.

But my comments on your 8 points:

1) Require all private guns sales be registered with the government. - Agreed.
2) Background screening for all gun purchases. - This is already the case, unless you're just reiterating point #1 all over again.
3) Increase buyback programs to get guns off the streets. - No buyback program has ever worked on this, and I've got numerous examples of failures. So knock yourself out, but its not a solution.
4) Mandatory minimum of 10 years for a drug or robbery crime committed with a gun. - Agreed 100%. You'll never get democrats to agree to this.
5) Destruction of all guns seized in crimes (unless it was stolen and the original owner is obvious). - Agreed 100%.
6) Make bump stocks illegal. - Silly, because these can be 3D printed quite easily so it accomplishes little, but again, knock yourself out.
7) Reduce allowed magazine sizes. - Also doesn't do anything as there are numerous ways around this and they can be 3D printed and there are way,way too many in circulation.
8) Get gun education back into schools (like when I was a kid). - Agreed 100%

Lots of good suggestions, and some that won't have any effect at all.
 
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Tony Stark said:
How many times per year does that happen compared to this


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You kinda have to remove gun deaths from illegal firearms first. Because you're not going to get those no matter what laws you pass.

Gang bang shootings, drug deals, things of that nature. People intent on murder aren't going to surrender their gun because you pass another law.

I've said many times that if you could magically get rid of all the bad guy guns, I'd give you mine as well. I'd love for my kid to grow up in a world without firearms. But you can't, so I won't surrender them.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Should be interesting to see how this works out and whether the school ever experiences an active shooter once this gets out. Of course, there are other risks to be considered now that faculty can be armed. But I doubt anyone tries to shoot up this school.

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Nope. This should not be “interesting to see how this works out.” There should be no need for this. Your mind is so sick with guns that guns in school has become “interesting” to you instead just plain old fucking sad.
 
UsualName said:
Nope. This should not be “interesting to see how this works out.” There should be no need for this. Your mind is so sick with guns that guns in school has become “interesting” to you instead just plain old fucking sad.
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Such emotion and drama. Of course, I think you're way off base, but that's cool. You're entitled to your rant.

But I actually do agree that it is sad that the teachers have to carry because bad guys might target the school. So we agree on that, I guess. But I'd rather have the teachers at my school carry than worry about my son's school getting shot up.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Such emotion and drama. Of course, I think you're way off base, but that's cool. You're entitled to your rant.

But I actually do agree that it is sad that the teachers have to carry because bad guys might target the school. So we agree on that, I guess. But I'd rather have the teachers at my school carry than worry about my son's school getting shot up.
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It’s just sick man. And I really don’t get how you all just accept it. Like you’re not even trying for your own children so you can have unregulated access to assault weapons. It’s sick. You should be fighting for your son!
 
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