What happens when there are too many guns in America

[Tsing Tao]

Issues guns often get conflated as if guns aren’t inherently dangerous. So saying this is bad parenting deflects from the obvious that the first issue is the gun, not the child.

So no person should leave a loaded gun out unattended, regardless of parent or not. The reason is again the obvious, guns are inherently dangerous. Again, the first issue is the gun, not the child.

Nobody wants your guns. Unless of course your some kind of criminal or have some mental health problems. It’s about keeping guns with their legal owners.

The gun didn't decide to shoot the mom, the child did accidentally. This is why I made the analogy of the heroin syringe. Or you can put a knife there. Or anything else that can cause harm. A 2 year old has no idea what it is handling, which is why a good parent puts controls in place to protect a child. Hell, we put those little plastic thingies in the plug sockets so curious little hands can put fingers inside them. So leaving out a loaded gun? Yeah, really bad parenting.

But if someone is living alone, leaving a loaded gun out is less of an issue - still not recommended, but certainly there's no danger of a child picking it up. So the gun isn't the first issue, just like the knife or heroin isn't. Its the decision by the parent to leave a deadly object in range of a toddler.

As for keeping guns with their legal owners - I agree. So how do we do this? Please note I've asked you this before and gotten nothing for my trouble.

 

[UsualName]

The gun didn't decide to shoot the mom, the child did accidentally. This is why I made the analogy of the heroin syringe. Or you can put a knife there. Or anything else that can cause harm. A 2 year old has no idea what it is handling, which is why a good parent puts controls in place to protect a child. Hell, we put those little plastic thingies in the plug sockets so curious little hands can put fingers inside them. So leaving out a loaded gun? Yeah, really bad parenting.

But if someone is living alone, leaving a loaded gun out is less of an issue - still not recommended, but certainly there's no danger of a child picking it up. So the gun isn't the first issue, just like the knife or heroin isn't. Its the decision by the parent to leave a deadly object in range of a toddler.

As for keeping guns with their legal owners - I agree. So how do we do this? Please note I've asked you this before and gotten nothing for my trouble.

So now we are at the inanimate object and spoons cause obesity phase. Ok so owning a gun only comes with responsibility for parents?

Ok. A person living alone leaves a loaded gun out every day for 10 years. That’s 3,650 days. Let’s say they get visitors 1 out 7 days. That’s 521 incident opportunities. Let’s say the failure rate of forgetting to secure your weapon you leave out every day when company visits is 1 in 100. That is a likelihood incident rate of once every two years. You run that scenario through the entire population enough and viola your probability of an incident is not only guaranteed but recurring. The only question is what is the actual incidence rate.

And for the record, As a gun owner you know as a matter of safety loaded guns are not to be left unattended anywhere. Don’t lie about that.

 

[Cuddles]

And for the record, As a gun owner you know as a matter of safety loaded guns are not to be left unattended anywhere. Don’t lie about that.

You wouldn't believe the amount of "responsible gun owners" whom I've heard argue keeping a loaded gun unlocked by your bed side is the only way to react quickly enough to a hypothetical home invasion. Something about the perp getting the jump on you if it's locked elsewhere.

 

[Tsing Tao]

So now we are at the inanimate object and spoons cause obesity phase. Ok so owning a gun only comes with responsibility for parents?

Ok. A person living alone leaves a loaded gun out every day for 10 years. That’s 3,650 days. Let’s say they get visitors 1 out 7 days. That’s 521 incident opportunities. Let’s say the failure rate of forgetting to secure your weapon you leave out every day when company visits is 1 in 100. That is a likelihood incident rate of once every two years. You run that scenario through the entire population enough and viola your probability of an incident is not only guaranteed but recurring. The only question is what is the actual incidence rate.

And for the record, As a gun owner you know as a matter of safety loaded guns are not to be left unattended anywhere. Don’t lie about that.

Do you even read my posts before you respond to them?

But if someone is living alone, leaving a loaded gun out is less of an issue - still not recommended​

And saying owning a gun only comes with responsibility for parents - where in the hell did I say even remotely anything like that?

 

[Tsing Tao]

You wouldn't believe the amount of "responsible gun owners" whom I've heard argue keeping a loaded gun unlocked by your bed side is the only way to react quickly enough to a hypothetical home invasion. Something about the perp getting the jump on you if it's locked elsewhere.

Hush. Adults are talking.

 

[UsualName]

Do you even read my posts before you respond to them?

But if someone is living alone, leaving a loaded gun out is less of an issue - still not recommended​

And saying owning a gun only comes with responsibility for parents - where in the hell did I say even remotely anything like that?

Right. Securing the gun is a priority in any scenario not just for parents. Hence the blame isn’t bad parenting, it’s bad gun ownership.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Right. Securing the gun is a priority in any scenario not just for parents. Hence the blame isn’t bad parenting, it’s bad gun ownership.

Ok, saying the same thing over and over again without any newly presented argument is rather pointless, so I'll leave you to your usual emotional views on the subject. Your view, its bad gun ownership, but good parenting that caused the lady to get shot by her kid, despite the fact that I'm willing to wager that if I went out on the street and asked "is this an example of good parenting" 99 people out of 100 would give a resounding "no".