What are the chances and possible timing of a China crackdown in HK and how can we trade it?

[Sig]

So much anger. No wonder you talk about dick size all the time.

Besides... With all your studying of insurgencies, why is the US in peace talks with the insurgents everywhere? Thought you should be able to win a nearly 20 fucking year war, no?

Again if you think your little group of merry men to be capable of invoking anything other than amusement mixed with contempt on my part, or the part of anyone who matters, you flatter yourself. You're apparently not only ignorant on everything we're discussing but revel in that ignorance. Put up or shut up time, if you want to bring up some actual experiences of yours beyond playing Call of Duty and reading Soldier of Fortune or some actual rigorous thought you've put into this we can engage in an intelligent conversation. But we all know you've got jack shit on both those fronts, so go back to the kiddie table where your tough guy talk doesn't get you laughed at.

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

Again if you think your little group of merry men to be capable of invoking anything other than amusement on my part, or the part of anyone who matters, you flatter yourself. You're apparently not only ignorant on everything we're discussing but revel in that ignorance. Put up or shut up time, if you want to bring up some actual experiences of yours beyond playing Call of Duty and reading Soldier of Fortune or some actual rigorous thought you've put into this we can engage in an intelligent conversation. But we all know you've got jack shit on both those fronts, so go back to the kiddie table where your tough guy talk doesn't get you laughed at.

"Hmm... I was asked why we can't win a 20 year war even though we are Really Important and Good At Killing People. Can't explain it. I know, let me talk about how the other guy is a weenie"

You're a joke Sig.

 

[Overnight]

Again if you think your little group of merry men to be capable of invoking anything other than amusement mixed with contempt on my part, or the part of anyone who matters, you flatter yourself. You're apparently not only ignorant on everything we're discussing but revel in that ignorance. Put up or shut up time, if you want to bring up some actual experiences of yours beyond playing Call of Duty and reading Soldier of Fortune or some actual rigorous thought you've put into this we can engage in an intelligent conversation. But we all know you've got jack shit on both those fronts, so go back to the kiddie table where your tough guy talk doesn't get you laughed at.

Sig, there is an important point in this discussion I believe.

And it seems you have served time in the defense of our country. Thank your for your service.

But have you truly thought about how you would feel if you were deployed in some sort of national guard role, and were then ordered to fire upon your own fellow citizens?

I do not know, nor care about how the Chinese army may think of this with their issue, because I do not know their culture.

But I like to think that members of our own military would take pause in considering firing upon own citizens in a civil uprising with lethal force. As a military folk, would you just blindly follow orders to kill your own countrymen, or would you think for yourself a bit and wonder if it is the right decision to pull the trigger?

 

[Sig]

"Hmm... I was asked why we can't win a 20 year war even though we are Really Important and Good At Killing People. Can't explain it. I know, let me talk about how the other guy is a weenie"

You're a joke Sig.

Just to be clear, you're asserting that our democracy is safe because jackasses like you with pistols and rifles and bump stocks will stop anything you decide is bad, and if not you'll win because you'll start an insurgency so you'll all get to live like they do in Afghanistan and Iraq? Again, quite the tough guy and such intellect as well! Like I said, put up or shut up. Since you clearly haven't been able to put up, time to shut up. How about we move this conversation to McPs in Coronado and you can share your vast experience and wisdom with a few of my friends. No need to get the last word in, you can do it there. PM me and I'll set it up. See you there!

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

Just to be clear, you're asserting that our democracy is safe because jackasses like you with pistols and rifles and bump stocks will stop anything you decide is bad, and if not you'll win because you'll start an insurgency so you'll all get to live like they do in Afghanistan and Iraq? Again, quite the tough guy and such intellect as well! Like I said, put up or shut up. Since you clearly haven't been able to put up, time to shut up. How about we move this conversation to McPs in Coronado and you can share your vast experience and wisdom with a few of my friends. No need to get the last word in, you can do it there. PM me and I'll set it up. See you there!

I am not asserting that. I am saying that your oorah marines haven't been able to quell serious disorganized insurgencies using decades old equipment.

Unfortunately, your TDS and rage blinds you to reason so you repeatedly threaten me. I guess they didn't teach you restraint in your 150 years of insurgency training.

Edit: sounds a little bit like an IYI may have run that training, eh ;-)

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

But have you truly thought about how you would feel if you were deployed in some sort of national guard role, and were then ordered to fire upon your own fellow citizens?

Sig is a moron. He will shoot anyone in a MAGA hat.

Sadly, history shows that people like him definitely will fire on their fellow citizens.

 

[Sig]

Sig, there is an important point in this discussion I believe.

And it seems you have served time in the defense of our country. Thank your for your service.

But have you truly thought about how you would feel if you were deployed in some sort of national guard role, and were then ordered to fire upon your own fellow citizens?

I do not know, nor care about how the Chinese army may think of this with their issue, because I do not know their culture.

But I like to think that members of our own military would take pause in considering firing upon own citizens in a civil uprising with lethal force. As a military folk, would you just blindly follow orders to kill your own countrymen, or would you think for yourself a bit and wonder if it is the right decision to pull the trigger?

Absolutely you would take pause. And you absolutely wouldn't blindly follow orders to kill anyone, even @nooby_mcnoob moron that he is. But these guys getting hard-ons over taking their bump stocks to Washington to take down the 'gubmnt are talking about overthrowing our government with violence. That's serious stuff, when you stop and think about it. In general, they're mostly both incompetent and incapable of anything requiring an ounce of courage, so the scenario where a military response to them is necessary is so vanishingly small as to be beneath thinking about. So in reality, some combination of law enforcement is going to take them out when a couple of them just go mental as happens from time to time. But, if you took their wet dream to fruition as a thought experiment and thousands of them started killing Americans with their guns in order to take over, then it wouldn't really be a matter of "killing fellow Americans" so much as "killing criminals who were killing fellow Americans". And if they're not killing fellow Americans they aren't a threat, you just arrest them if they're doing something illegal or let them protest their hearts out if they aren't. It's an important point that these folks are talking about using deadly force to get their way. Anything else and who cares, it's a free country, protest all you like. So your question is more like does it give pause to a police officer to fire on someone who is using deadly force on those around him, does he just blindly follow orders? No, he doesn't blindly follow orders, yes it does give him pause. Hopefully in most cases he protects people using the minimum amount of force he safely can and is probably mentally scarred for life after doing so (the few bad cops excepted).
In short, unlike the rubes like our friend @nooby_mcnoob we have actually all thought long and hard about this. And know something about it. Which is why we're not terribly worried about the tough guy in his mom's basement mouthing off about his defense of liberty and all that.

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

Absolutely you would take pause. And you absolutely wouldn't blindly follow orders to kill anyone, even @nooby_mcnoob moron that he is. But these guys getting hard-ons over taking their bump stocks to Washington to take down the 'gubmnt are talking about overthrowing our government with violence. That's serious stuff, when you stop and think about it. In general, they're mostly both incompetent and incapable of anything requiring an ounce of courage, so the scenario where a military response to them is necessary is so vanishingly small as to be beneath thinking about. So in reality, some combination of law enforcement is going to take them out of a couple of them just go mental as happens from time to time. But, if you took their wet dream to fruition and thousands of them started killing Americans in order to take over, then it wouldn't really be a matter of "killing fellow Americans" so much as "killing criminals who were killing fellow Americans". And if they're not killing fellow Americans they aren't a threat, you just arrest them if they're doing something illegal or let them protest their hearts out if they aren't. It's an important point that these folks are talking about using deadly force to get their way. Anything else and who cares, it's a free country, protest all you like. So your question is more like does it give pause to a police officer to fire on someone who is using deadly force on those around him, does he just blindly follow orders? No, he doesn't blindly follow orders, yes it does give him pause. Hopefully in most cases he protects people using the minimum amount of force he safely can and is probably mentally scarred for life after doing so (the few bad cops excepted).

There you have it, in Hong Kong, Sig would be shooting into the crowd. All you need to know.

 

[noddyboy]

Discuss!!!

100% chance of crack down. Probably a big crash and yet no one is short enough.

 

[ironchef]

Absolutely you would take pause. And you absolutely wouldn't blindly follow orders to kill anyone, even @nooby_mcnoob moron that he is. But these guys getting hard-ons over taking their bump stocks to Washington to take down the 'gubmnt are talking about overthrowing our government with violence. That's serious stuff, when you stop and think about it. In general, they're mostly both incompetent and incapable of anything requiring an ounce of courage, so the scenario where a military response to them is necessary is so vanishingly small as to be beneath thinking about. So in reality, some combination of law enforcement is going to take them out when a couple of them just go mental as happens from time to time. But, if you took their wet dream to fruition as a thought experiment and thousands of them started killing Americans with their guns in order to take over, then it wouldn't really be a matter of "killing fellow Americans" so much as "killing criminals who were killing fellow Americans". And if they're not killing fellow Americans they aren't a threat, you just arrest them if they're doing something illegal or let them protest their hearts out if they aren't. It's an important point that these folks are talking about using deadly force to get their way. Anything else and who cares, it's a free country, protest all you like. So your question is more like does it give pause to a police officer to fire on someone who is using deadly force on those around him, does he just blindly follow orders? No, he doesn't blindly follow orders, yes it does give him pause. Hopefully in most cases he protects people using the minimum amount of force he safely can and is probably mentally scarred for life after doing so (the few bad cops excepted).
In short, unlike the rubes like our friend @nooby_mcnoob we have actually all thought long and hard about this. And know something about it. Which is why we're not terribly worried about the tough guy in his mom's basement mouthing off about his defense of liberty and all that.

In a democratic society, there is a non zero chance that those MAGA, those @nooby_mcnoob get elected to run this country.

Come to think of it.....