Trump to Boycott Fox Debate

[Max E.]

I don't believe Trump will show up for this debate unless FOX drops Megyn Kelly as a moderator.

For all of his many faults, one thing Trump does not do is flip-flop on short term issues. He digs in and sticks to his guns.

Looks like you were right, i was dead wrong on this one.

 

[lindq]

Why is it okay for Bernie to be outraged about jobs, offshoring and open borders? But not when Trump is? Bernie and Trump share very similar policies on many fronts, which is probably why they share the similar grassroots support....

That's a very good question. (And I love you, too. This is politics, not personal.)

I don't know Sanders. But in watching him I get the impression that while he's a Ralph Nader character, he does CARE about the well being of the country. He's expressing feelings and policies that he's held for a long time. ( I would not vote for him, you brought it up.)

As regards Trump, whose well being is at the center of his universe, and his campaign?

No need to answer.

I also need to point out - before I exit this conversation - that in regards to Trumps professed talents in business, studies have shown that had he simply invested his fathers largess in an S&P index fund with dividends, he would have had a great deal more wealth than he does now.

One of the reasons that I feel so opposed to this guy and the image he's trying to pass off to America, is that I lived fairly close to Atlantic City when he initially went in there with promises to help rebuild the place in exchange for licenses. At the time, Atlantic City made Detroit look like Paris.

Well, he didn't do shit for the residents of the area in comparison to the money he generated with the licenses. And if you watched his first debate performances, he bragged that he was proud to have made his money and got out of Atlantic city because it is a "disaster".

I invite you to study more about his background. Educate yourself as to who he really is.

You're smarter than to fall for this bullshitting carnival barker.

 

[achilles28]

A fear-monger and opportunist like Trump - and that's PRECISELY what he is - will attach himself to negativity and draw out the worst in disenchanted voters.

But what does he actually stand for? Certainly not what he stood for even a few years ago. Because what he professes to stand for is ALWAYS a decision based on how the wind is blowing at the moment. That's who he is. That's his nature. And he admits to this.

It is a very, very sad day in this country when a person like this is given a national stage on which to spout his professed anger and proven lies about the state of the U.S.

I would again invite you to look much more closely at who this man really is, and not who he is telling you he is.

How about you share with us why you think Trump is a fear-monger? How exactly is he 'fear-mongering'?

From what I know and listened to (and I've researched Trump quite a bit) he only flipped on two issues - abortion and being a Democrat. On abortion, he came out clearly pro-choice over a decade ago, and is now obviously pro-life. He chalks that up to not really thinking much about the issue and living in a Democratic state; towing the line to get things done. Coming out as Democrat, again, was a political move to help his business in a blue state. He said you basically can't get anything done in New York if you're not a democrat.

Now I would encourage you to read the interview Trump gave Playboy 25 YEARS AGO.

I read it last night, expecting exactly what you said - that Trumps a flip-flopper who follows the wind.

I was totally shocked. His views back then were almost EXACTLY VERBATIM as he expresses them today. On trade. On the military. On Asian trading partners ripping America off. On making allies pay for military protection. On OPEC. On being "tough and smart". On American leaders being a bunch of dummies who sell this country out. That was 25 YEARS AGO.

That speaks volumes about his consistency and principles.

https://thecorporateculture.com/2015/playboy-interviewed-donald-trump-25-years-ago/

 

[achilles28]

Murdochs group has spent big money in support of Open borders.
Fox has become the establishment.
This all gets curiouser and curiouser.
The more I learn the more I think Trump is worth the chance. Not that I think he is a great guy... I just hope he is really anti establishment and open borders.
Now I realize why fox was not taking the establishment traitors to task.
Which is why I stopped watching.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...work-fox-news-money-flows-open-borders-group/

In asking the question of “what’s wrong over there?” Trump has shined a spotlight on one of Washington’s best kept secrets: namely, Fox’s role via its founder Rupert Murdoch in pushing an open borders agenda. The Trump campaign is a direct threat to Murdoch’s efforts to open America’s borders. Well-concealed from virtually all reporting on Fox’s treatment of Trump is the fact that Murdoch is the co-chair of what is arguably one of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE).

In addition to blanketing the country, media, and politicians with literature, advertisements, and a barrage of lobbyists pushing for open border immigration policies, the Partnership for A New American Economy (PNAE) was a prime lobbyist for one of the biggest open borders pushes in American history:

While Donald Trump has pledged to deport those illegally residing in the country and temporarily pause Muslim migration, Rubio’s immigration bill would have granted immediate amnesty and eventual citizenship to millions of illegal aliens, it would have doubled the annual admission of foreign workers, and it would have dispensed 33 million green cards to foreign nationals in the span of a single decade despite current record immigration levels.

While Megyn Kelly made headlines with her heated questioning of Donald Trump, not one of the Fox News anchors asked Rubio in the first Fox News debate about his signature piece of legislation, which Murdoch’s immigration lobbying firm had endorsed. Instead, they lobbed Rubio a series of softballs, such as asking Rubio if he could put God and veterans in the same sentence.

Interestingly, Bill Sammon — FOX News’s vice president of News and Washington managing editor — is the father of Brooke Sammon, who is Rubio’s press secretary.
....

McCain told The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza back in 2013, Fox News was essential to the Rubio-Schumer effort to expand immigration levels beyond all known historical precedent. As Lizza wrote at the time:



McCain told me, “Rupert Murdoch is a strong supporter of immigration reform, and Roger Ailes is, too.” Murdoch is the chairman and C.E.O. of News Corp., which owns Fox, and Ailes is Fox News’s president. McCain said that he, [Lindsey] Graham, [Marco] Rubio, and others also have talked privately to top hosts at Fox, including Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Neil Cavuto… “God bless Fox,” Graham said. “Last time [i.e. during the 2007 immigration push], it was ‘amnesty’ every fifteen seconds.” He said that the change was important for his reelection, because “eighty per cent of people in my primary get their news from Fox.” He added that the network has “allowed critics to come forward, but it’s been so much better.”

Murdoch’s support of open borders immigration policies has been identified as a potential conflict of interest for years. As ABC reported in 2013:

Murdoch, Australian born and a naturalized U.S. citizen, has become an outspoken advocate for immigration reform and mass legalization of the country’s undocumented immigrants, partnering with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg in this cause. Whether Murdoch’s personal views will percolate through his network, or at least temper criticism on the airwaves of those who don’t share it, remains to be seen.

That's disturbing. I'm not surprised. All this stuff goes hand in hand. Fortune 500, mainstream media and national politicians all share mutually aligned interests. Different heads of the same beast.

 

[lindq]

From what I know and listened to (and I've researched Trump quite a bit) he only flipped on two issues - abortion and being a Democrat.

LOL. So he flipped on his PARTY AFFILIATION and he's running for President, and he flipped on abortion, which is one of the most sacred planks of the Republican party...

...and you are wondering why I label him an opportunist?

Come on! How clear can all this be? He is so transparent.

Por favor, see through him for what he really is.

 

[jem]

and opportunity to run the establishment traitors out... knocks.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I watched Fox for a few minutes earlier this afternoon. They have gone from mocking Trump to painting him as someone dedicated to repealing the First Amendment. He was described as Tony Soprano, running an extortion operation. His objection to Megyn Kelly was an attempt to dictate coverage to a network, which they regarded as the worst possible thing that could happen in the history of our country. Murdoch paid good money to have that privilege.

It all seemed a bit over the top in response to a candidate skipping a debate. I suppose the desperation and anger in their comments was a realization that Trump had hit them hard financially. Their own comments, both earlier and today, more or less validate his complaints about bias.

 

[achilles28]

LOL. So he flipped on his PARTY AFFILIATION and he's running for President, and he flipped on abortion, which is one of the most sacred planks of the Republican party...

...and you are wondering why I label him an opportunist?

Come on! How clear can all this be? He is so transparent.

Por favor, see through him for what he really is.

Did you read the Playboy interview from 1991?

In it, Trump said he's affiliated with Democratic party for business reasons, but his values are, and always have been, conservative.

 

[lindq]

Did you read the Playboy interview from 1991?

Um, lemme see, I've got a Playboy from 1991 around here somewhere. Remind me, who was on the cover? It was Betty White, wasn't it?

 

[achilles28]

Um, lemme see, I've got a Playboy from 1991 around here somewhere. Remind me, who was on the cover? It was Betty White, wasn't it?

My friend, you're asking something of me you're not willing to do yourself. It's not as bad as you think. I'm sorry Donald shafted you guys in Atlantic City. Maybe he promised the moon and didn't deliver. While unethical, sometimes things don't work out the way its planned.

I'd love to see the evidence of his massive corruption and illegality, if you have it. I'm curious, if its so apparent, why hasn't the media crucified him with it yet?