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Many traditional martial arts cannot even defend against one attacker so you gotta laugh when they start talking about multiple attackers.
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And you really have to laugh at a BJJ dude thinking he can take on more than one attacker. Unless everybody is just laying around on the ground drunk or something.

I'd like to see your BJJ take on my cousin, a 7th degree Shorin-Ryu Black belt who has run his own doji for over 25 years. He would kill you in less than 30 seconds. He is one mean mother fucker.
 
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You are mostly describing clinch fighting, which is very effective, but you dont want to do it with multiple opponents. It only takes one guy to clinch with you to ensure all his buddies can clinch too, drag you to the ground and stomp your head into the ground.

You gotta run, and throw punches only when necessary to make the attacker pause so you can run more. Kicks.... probably not a good idea because only one guy has to sacrifice and take one kick, trap it, and you are going down.

A boxer can pull off what was shown in the video once in a blue moon, *IF* his attackers are totally clueless and run straight into him with their chins sticking out like in the video and assuming they are out in the open and there is room to run. Lots of IF's there. But 9/10 times even a boxer will be tackled and stomped. Taking a boxer down is pretty trivial.

If they are stupid enough to stand with him, he has a bit of a chance but do you really want to rely on luck and a perfect set of variables?

A Judo/BJJ guys has a lot of clinch, grip breaking knowledge and take down defense. (Wrestlers dont know how to deal with people grabbing their clothes. ) They will be the toughest to take down and most likely to break grips, trip, throw people, and run like hell.

A BJJ guy is the most likely to get back to his feet if taken down simply because they are the best on the ground and escaping ground positions.

But discussing multiple opponents is quite silly because 99% of fights are one on one, and if you cant even defend against a SINGLE attacker, you have no chance against multiple anyway.

Many traditional martial arts cannot even defend against one attacker so you gotta laugh when they start talking about multiple attackers.

Im a BJJ/Muay Thai guy, but in a multiple attacker scenario, id have to go with BJJ/Boxing since using kicks is just too risky in that scenario.

Sprinting skills are the best against multiple attackers.
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It didn't seem like clinch fighting really. They told me that fighting is stupid, you roll around on the ground and you get dirty and your clothes get torn. That was their slightly humorous take on fighting. The idea was to always take the opponent to the ground without going with him, because all fights go eventually to the ground. You would fight while getting close enough to split the guy down... and all the concepts were extremely simple, neck at other end of every punch, groin at other end of every kick, splitting down, no left-right thinking, it was blocking to the inside or outside... I still think they had the grail in self defense... they had not much to say about knives, I think they were silently admitting that you better not get attacked by a knife really and if so, run.....

Edit: I have the textbook from that school, I'll read it and see what else I can remember...
 
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Judo is better in the street, especially versus multiple opponents. Simple trips will do the trick, you may not even need to pull off a throw.
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Trips are garbage .

Never work vs. a half skilled opponent.
 
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You are mostly describing clinch fighting, which is very effective, but you dont want to do it with multiple opponents. It only takes one guy to clinch with you to ensure all his buddies can clinch too, drag you to the ground and stomp your head into the ground.

You gotta run, and throw punches only when necessary to make the attacker pause so you can run more. Kicks.... probably not a good idea because only one guy has to sacrifice and take one kick, trap it, and you are going down.

A boxer can pull off what was shown in the video once in a blue moon, *IF* his attackers are totally clueless and run straight into him with their chins sticking out like in the video and assuming they are out in the open and there is room to run. Lots of IF's there. But 9/10 times even a boxer will be tackled and stomped. Taking a boxer down is pretty trivial.

If they are stupid enough to stand with him, he has a bit of a chance but do you really want to rely on luck and a perfect set of variables?

A Judo/BJJ guys has a lot of clinch, grip breaking knowledge and take down defense. (Wrestlers dont know how to deal with people grabbing their clothes. ) They will be the toughest to take down and most likely to break grips, trip, throw people, and run like hell.

A BJJ guy is the most likely to get back to his feet if taken down simply because they are the best on the ground and escaping ground positions.

But discussing multiple opponents is quite silly because 99% of fights are one on one, and if you cant even defend against a SINGLE attacker, you have no chance against multiple anyway.

Many traditional martial arts cannot even defend against one attacker so you gotta laugh when they start talking about multiple attackers.

Im a BJJ/Muay Thai guy, but in a multiple attacker scenario, id have to go with BJJ/Boxing since using kicks is just too risky in that scenario.

Sprinting skills are the best against multiple attackers.
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You obviously know nuts about wrestling.

BJJ/Judo are easy to take down , wrestlers OWN the takedown case you haven't noticed or you going to deny the majority of MMA fighters have a wrestling base.
 
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It didn't seem like clinch fighting really. They told me that fighting is stupid, you roll around on the ground and you get dirty and your clothes get torn. That was their slightly humorous take on fighting. The idea was to always take the opponent to the ground without going with him, you would fight while getting close enough to split the guy down... and all the concepts were extremely simple, neck at other end of every punch, groin at other end of every kick, splitting down, no left-right thinking, it was blocking to the inside or outside... I still think they had the grail in self defense... they had not much to say about knives, I think they were silently admitting that you better not get attacked by a knife really and if so, run.....
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The reason MMA/BJ is simply a sport and only a fight "skill" against lame opponents is it relies on the other person fighting fair. Real fighters never fight fair. In a *real* fight one is more likely to get a ball point pen jammed deep in the neck than subdueing a would be opponent with triangle choke. A sock full of nickles will defeat any MMA superstar.
 
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You obviously know nuts about wrestling.
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Youre clearly ignorant. I wrestled in highschool and was quite good. I probably know more about wrestling than you, since I wrestle every week.

BJJ/Judo are easy to take down , wrestlers OWN the takedown case you haven't noticed or you going to deny the majority of MMA fighters have a wrestling base.
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BJJ/Judo are not easy to take down, you have no idea what you are talking about. Of course wrestlers own the takedown, its their focus, like Judo owns the throw and BJJ owns the sub. Whats your point?

But any of the 3 can easily take down an average joe opponent.

The majority of MMA fighters actually have a wrestling or BJJ base. Its virtually tied.
The sherdog current fight style list shows this
http://sherdog.com/stats/powerratings/upr-styles-current

Considering the USA wrestling culture, im surprised wrestling isnt way ahead of all other styles. If this was fairly weighted by country populations, brazillian jiu jitsu would be far ahead of wrestling for sure. There simply are easily 10X wrestling practitioners in the states. Yet BJJ is neck and neck as a style base in MMA with wrestling.
 
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But discussing multiple opponents is quite silly because 99% of fights are one on one
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Depends on where you are.

Part of the reason I don't fight is because say some douche at a bar bumps into you and has to look tough in front of everyone, so he wants to fight (even tho his drunk ass bumped into YOU). Even tho you know you could destroy him, you don't, because he probably has 2 or 3 equally-douchey friends with him waiting to break bottles on your head from behind as you're fighting him.
 
I'm recalling more about the art.. .the goal was to block an attack and move in to where you were hip to hip and from there split the guy down or hit him where it hurts the most.. it was pretty muchly a street fighting defense.. getting inside may not be that hard against an untrained attacker, but it's a high skill level thingy because when I'm attacked I step back [doesn't work well] not forward [works amazingly well].. they had a brush block and an inward open palm block, those were the only two that facilitated getting closer it seemed...

Dang, we're in the middle of a world class credit crisis and you guys got me going on the Martial Arts... the neighborhood I just moved to hasn't had an assault in decades probably :D
 
IronFist, bjjtrader and some others...

You guys are all missing the point.
I have trained ITF TKD, Hapkido, Kickboxing, Sambo, Judo and some other less known systems. The SBGi boxing stuff is also great, and monkey boxing rules.

My point is that it is ALL about the fighter - and him not being "religious" about any fighting style - that is basically what MMA is - being all eclectic and adapting to your best skills and your opponent with the best possible "game plan" - which is why e.g Randy Couture is so successful. Some like Fedor and Anderson Silva are just on another planet when it comes to talent and being able to adjust.

Sure, there are people who suck eggs in every style there is - but there are also many great practitioners who "grow out" of any single system. For decades, there has been the trend of "evolving" - Bruce Lee with his Jeet Kune Do was the strongest proponent for this philosophy. I know so many who train in different styles - and that is what it is all about - being able to adapt to any situation, and apply the most effective technique.

Those who try to follow strict rules of engagement are not the ones who will be standing on the top in the end of an open competition. I have participated in international full contact competitions with kickboxers, kyokushinkai, TKD and others - and although there were strict rules - the winners emerged from all kind of styles.

Trying to prove one system as superior to another is just bullshit, you need to know every system and keep an open mind. You guys trying to belittle other systems are simply clueless. You know nothing of the background and history of great fighters in your ignorance. Mas Oyama evolved, as did Bas Rutten, Anderson Silva, Randy Couture and all of the pancration history - and MMA today.
 
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