the sooner we get away from BEEF

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Where is the iron and B-12 in these foods? :confused:

And there is a debate whether soybeans are good for you or not. :D
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more iron in many plants (see spinach) than most meat. take a B12 supp and i'm good to go :D
 
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CONCLUSIONS: This LARGE cohort study suggests that higher heme iron intake is associated with a significantly increased risk of type 2 diabetes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...gleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed


hmmm this would give me pause if i ate "heme" iron.. but i don't because


I GAVE BEEF DA BOOT LONG AGOOO!! HAHA :D
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040212085111.htm


Same study killthesunshine, but include more information of the females for the 10 year follow-up of the females. (specific)


"Overall, women who subsequently developed diabetes during follow-up were heavier, more likely to have a family history of diabetes, less likely to exercise and consume alcohol, and had higher plasma concentrations of CRP (C-Reactive Protein - a biomarker for inflammation), fasting insulin, and hemoglobin A1c at baseline," the authors found. "In addition, diabetic women tended to have higher baseline average intake of heme iron [a type of iron], transfat, red and processed meats, total calories, and lower intake of cereal fiber and magnesium. ... At baseline, the mean (average) ferritin concentration was significantly higher (109 vs. 71.5 ng [nanograms]/mL [milliliter]) and the mean ratio of transferrin receptors to ferritin was significantly lower (102 vs. 141) in the cases [those with type 2 diabetes] than in the healthy controls."

In conclusion the authors write, "This finding may have important implications for the prevention of type 2 diabetes because elevated ferritin concentration and lower concentration in the ratio of transferrin receptors to ferritin in healthy populations may help to identify a high-risk population for type 2 diabetes who may benefit from further evaluation and interventions (lifestyle or therapeutic)."

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"In addition, diabetic women tended to have higher baseline average intake of heme iron [a type of iron], transfat, red and processed meats, total calories, and lower intake of cereal fiber and magnesium. ..
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So all the females who have diabetes in 10 year follow-up take more TRANSFAT, more CALORIES, more PROCESSED MEAT, not just heme iron killthsunshine. AND lower fiber and magnesium.
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"Overall, women who subsequently developed diabetes during follow-up were heavier, more likely to have a family history of diabetes, less likely to exercise and consume alcohol, and had higher plasma concentrations of CRP (C-Reactive Protein - a biomarker for inflammation), fasting insulin, and hemoglobin A1c at baseline," the authors found.
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So diabetes family history, not exercise, no alcohol, and inflammation is common to all.
You can not say heme iron is cause killthesunshine.
 
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more iron in many plants (see spinach) than most meat. take a B12 supp and i'm good to go :D
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Yes, and if your intestinal tract is wiped out from lack of protein you can always use B-12 lozenges under your tongue so you can absorb it. :D
 
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Yes, and if your intestinal tract is wiped out from lack of protein you can always use B-12 lozenges under your tongue so you can absorb it. :D
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i get 90-100 grams of day.. that's more than enough :D any more might be unhealthy like too much heme iron from MEAT!
 
Individuals who eat more red meat and processed meat appear to have a modestly increased risk of death from all causes and also from cancer or heart disease over a 10-year period, according to a new article. In contrast, a higher intake of white meat appeared to be associated with a slightly decreased risk for overall death and cancer death.

Eating Red And Processed Meat Associated With Increased Risk Of Death
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090323161109.htm

I NEVER SEEN A STUDY THAT SAYS A CARROT WILL KILL YOU :D
 
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