The real tragedy ... education

Well probably a small sample of kids fathered by former Giants and Niners. :)

Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Ah back to the topic at hand.

Those are great stats Pabst, thanks for posting them.

What I can only wonder about is what is happening in Marin and San Mateo County to produce the results which are not that far from a very high norm.

For the others, well, we've addressed a lot of that situation in our posts between you and I, regardless of what other folks think.

See, I understand the types of experiences you have had, and of course I agree that you should not associate with those types of people, hell, I most definitely do not want to associate with them either (just for the record folks, it's kill first, talk later with these people).

The only problem is:

a) not ALL blacks are like them (and like I said, they hate'em too)
b) we can't get away from this negative element if we wanted to
c) when we meet their white counter-part, we just have to deal with it, and we can't go around saying, "Oh, I hate all white people", because, well, that's just dumb.
 
Quote from TheStudent:

This is hardly the kind of attitude the black community needs in order to pull up its socks.

Since when are black people a "community"? Having slightly similar skin colour doesn't mean you have anything in common with someone. Otherwise I'd have a lot in common with Vladimir Putin, Adolf Hitler, and Paris Hilton, and Clarence Thomas would be best mates with Mike Tyson and 50 cent.

Skin colour means nothing except to people who think it means something. Someone's skin colour is about as relevant as their hair colour, their foot size, their taste in music, or what sports team they support - except to the extent that bigots make it relevant, and the victims of such feel the need to group based on that same categorisation due to their discriminatory treatment. Irish rock singer Phil Lynott said he never even knew he was "black" until he left Dublin. That's the difference between a tolerant culture, and a fucked up steaming cesspit of bigotry like Europe, USA etc. All you guys from either side going on about race are still seeing the world in skin colour first, everything else second. That isn't how you get to a world where people are judged on individual character and merit. You do that by taking someone for who they are, not for some imagined group you think they represent.

Racial thinking is basically the same as Marxism - nonsensical groupthink that views people as nothing more than numbers in a homogenous classified mass. If you make $20k a year you must be working class and unite with the oppressed masses. If you make $200k you are an evil boss who must be taken down. If your skin is a bit dark you are like this, if it's white or yellow or whatever you are like that. I find it remarkable, given the history of the founding of the USA, that anyone calling themselves an American can have this point of view.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:


a) not ALL blacks are like them (and like I said, they hate'em too)
b) we can't get away from this negative element if we wanted to
c) when we meet their white counter-part, we just have to deal with it, and we can't go around saying, "Oh, I hate all white people", because, well, that's just dumb.

a) agree 100%..
b) not true....many have and many do...
c) unfortunately the majority do hate white people...you see many seem to think that racism is a one way street, and it isnt...
 
Yes. We all know how tolerant the Irish Catholics are of the Protestant Brits and vica versa. The IRA was nothing more than a glorified street gang....
Quote from Cutten:

Since when are black people a "community"? Having slightly similar skin colour doesn't mean you have anything in common with someone. Otherwise I'd have a lot in common with Vladimir Putin, Adolf Hitler, and Paris Hilton, and Clarence Thomas would be best mates with Mike Tyson and 50 cent.

Skin colour means nothing except to people who think it means something. Someone's skin colour is about as relevant as their hair colour, their foot size, their taste in music, or what sports team they support - except to the extent that bigots make it relevant, and the victims of such feel the need to group based on that same categorisation due to their discriminatory treatment. Irish rock singer Phil Lynott said he never even knew he was "black" until he left Dublin. That's the difference between a tolerant culture, and a fucked up steaming cesspit of bigotry like Europe, USA etc. All you guys from either side going on about race are still seeing the world in skin colour first, everything else second. That isn't how you get to a world where people are judged on individual character and merit. You do that by taking someone for who they are, not for some imagined group you think they represent.

Racial thinking is basically the same as Marxism - nonsensical groupthink that views people as nothing more than numbers in a homogenous classified mass. If you make $20k a year you must be working class and unite with the oppressed masses. If you make $200k you are an evil boss who must be taken down. If your skin is a bit dark you are like this, if it's white or yellow or whatever you are like that. I find it remarkable, given the history of the founding of the USA, that anyone calling themselves an American can have this point of view.
 
Quote from Mike Okistini:

You are not telling us anything new, we know you hate Black folk because obviously every Black person must act the same way as the ones you met in Chicago where you became an expert.

The real tragedy is a lot of Black people must hate all white people simply by using you as an example.

You make all these justifications with statistics and making arguments as though liberals are the root for all policies and opinions.

Skip the bullshit and get to the root of the matter, you do not like Black people and any information which confirms your feelings makes you feel justified in your feelings and that is good for you.

But do not pretend that it is not an ignorant backwards small minded way of thinking and I am sure you feel more comfortable at the country club where "you people" can avoid those with any type of tan.

Just because you hire minorities to cut your lawn does not make you a good person because we all know what your thinking of them as you sit inside your house watching to make sure they do not steal from you or eye your car.

mike or whoever you are :D , pabst is the result of his environment. most white america feels as he does; maybe not as passionately, but the same nonetheless. you feel some of what pabst feels and emotionally it bothers you. the problem is, statistics and your life experiences bring you back to his conclusion , even as it disgusts you.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Well lets state facts ASSHOLE. I've never lived in a suburb or belonged to a "country club". I live in two places. Chicago and South Florida. Both are minority-majority. What non-black suburb do you live in?
And BTW: Anytime you like you can look me up and teach me my place. I'm the easiest guy on ET to find. I'll waste you in 5 seconds. One good thing about being a Chicagoan. I can still kick the shit out of punks half my age.

Ahh it is not as if I need to really make any good arguments to highlight your lack of intelligence. Because instead of refuting my comments you choose to challenge me to a fight and claim how your manliness is measured by being able to kick the shit out of people. Truly the act of a refined gentlemen and not a racist as I pictured.... I do not need to fight you to prove a point because I (although I am a minority) can use my brains to make my point. I know it surprises you to talk with a non-white instead of them trying to fight you but the is a whole big world outside your trailer park Ezekial

I grew up in New York City (public schools- mixed at all grades) but notice how I have not tried to pass of my small experience as EXPERTISE like you do. I do not use my experiences to lay a stereotype across a whole class of people. Actually it does not matter if I grew up in all _______ ( fill in the race) neighborhood. Intelligence dictates that you do not make ignorant ass backwards statements like yours.

Your experience only lets you comment on the people you ran across, not the whole race of people you claim to know. You criticize the libs in D.C. or wherever but you talk down about the minorities just as much as you claim they do.

Face it, you are angry spouting some ignorant shit while justifying it because you grew up in this neighborhood or that. And then to prove your intelligence you resort to the "Hey I can kick your ass!"

Your words speak so clearly of your feelings and intelligence.
 
Quote from sellindexvol66:

mike or whoever you are :D , pabst is the result of his environment. most white america feels as he does; maybe not as passionately, but the same nonetheless. you feel some of what pabst feels and emotionally it bothers you. the problem is, statistics and your life experiences bring you back to his conclusion , even as it disgusts you.

Ahh and now the "Many people feel the same way so it is right" argument....

Funny how people always claim environment to justify their beliefs. Envvironment shapes beleifs for sure, but humans have been blessed with independent though to rationalize and think logically. Remember that my comments are that one's environment is never a justification for casting aspersions over a whole entire race. Remember Pabst's comments on Blacks is not limited to those in the United States.

If you feel the need to come to his degense then maybe it bothers you more.
 
Quote from Mike Okistini:

Your words speak so clearly of your feelings and intelligence.

My apologies. I was totally out of line.

I can kick your as in an I.Q. test too though. :)

Mandlebrot: We'd be in a tie. Somehow I tested 141. I'm certain I lose around 2pts a year.........
 
Quote from ElCubano:


c) unfortunately the majority do hate white people...you see many seem to think that racism is a one way street, and it isnt...

I agree, racism is racism no matter which side it is coming from and it will never be eliminated or eradicated because people always fight along racial, ethnic and religious lines since the beginning of time. It is a sad truth of the human species. We all have biases that we absorb as we grow up and many hopefully apply rational thought to see through those biases and stereotypes and treat each other equally.

But that is utopian and bullshit and not gonna happen in our lifetimes or in our grandchildren's lifetimes. I can only do what I can do in my own sphere of influence and hope enough people try to do the same to make a drop of difference at a minimum.

Yo se que es un sueno, pero ojala...
 
Quote from ElCubano:

the only problem is the sample size..... If you were introduced to 500 cubans in your life time; you too may come up with an opinion that we are loud mo-fo's...does that mean that all Cubans are loud?? no...but if I was given a chance to bet even money on the loud Cuban scenerio; i'd have to take the over...You see, while Pabst's sample size may not be every single person in that sample, it is the only thing he can go by.....

Well there's a big difference, because "Cubans" is a categorisation based on upbringing in one country/culture. Logically speaking, people from the same culture/country are going to have a tendency to share some of the main traits from that culture. "Black" on the other hand is not based on country or culture, it is based purely on skin colour. A black woman born and brought up in Stockholm, Sweden is gonna have a pretty different set of views and behaviours to some black dude from Jamaica or Nigeria, don't you think? Same as there are big differences in culture between Spain and Columbia, Japan and China etc.

Skin colour alone is no basis whatsoever for any kind of perpetual category judgement, because it is not inherently linked to behaviour. Country of origin has some links to behaviour, so does culture, because you learn the traits of people you associate with. That's the difference.
 
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