The Obamacare success stories you haven't been hearing about

Quote from denner:

Which "group" do I follow bigarrow?

I've called out many of the neo-con's and party-line Republicans on this site. Did you see me mindlessly endorsing Romney in last year's election?

Just because I can't stand liberals and their incessant hypocricy DOES NOT mean that I'm some partisan hack who blindly follows the "other team".

Try again, bigarrow.

Okay, did you care before Obamacare about those without health insurance?
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Okay, did you care before Obamacare about those without health insurance?

Yes, my best friend pays nosebleed rates because of a serious pre-existing condition. He basically donates a big chunk of his income towards health insurance.

Now, do I think that we should focus some attention on the fact that he could not obtain health insurance outside of a state exchange that dealt specifically with those that were rejected by private insurers? Yes.

Did I think that we should have destroyed the entire private insurance market to address this small percentage of the population that deals with these issues? Hell No!

Was health insurance a complete racket with absurd premium increases year after year? Hell Yes!

All that we've done, as far as I can see (and believe me I've spent the past 2-3 months reading everything I can about this law), is take a bad situation and make it infinitely worse...and we haven't even reached the implementation stage of this overhaul.

We're still stuck in the red tape of trying to get people to sign up, to make premium payments, to determine who gets subsidies, how much...to figure out how many of those who previously had outrageously expensive insurance policies will drop out altogether (high deductibles, high co-pays and ridiculous monthly premiums).

The problem with many of these debates is that we can never even get to the stage where we discuss the actual details of the new law. We're still stuck in the hysteria over the website; that's yesterday's news.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Insurance companies cancel plans but not people's freedom to get a different plan, which they will in most cases.

“The only reason consumers are getting notices about their current coverage changing is because the ACA (Affordable Care Act) requires all polices to cover a broad range of benefits that go beyond what many people choose to purchase today.”

"Not so fast. There are other reasons some folks are being told they’ll have to change health plans next year. Many of them are having to switch plans not because of Obamacare but because their insurance companies want to move them into policies with higher profit margins.

Check out which states are not allowing 'cancelled' policies to be re-written. Hmmmm, are we looking at Democrat led states? I thought so .... They want to FORCE the cancelled people to have to enroll in Odumbo's exchange since it's failing so badly. Why is it here in SC that most people who were to have policies that would be cancelled can now renew them?
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Okay, did you care before Obamacare about those without health insurance?

I didn't care. But then again I have paid 100% of my health care costs the past 18 years. And answer this ... do you think it's appropriate or fair that I now have to subsidize these uninsured people? They made conscious choices to either (1) not be insured or (2) to live a lifestyle that was unhealthy or (3) and these I have empathy for ... those with REAL pre-existing conditions. Why the hell have I focused on a healthy lifestyle? Because I know it prolongs my life and also because I know I pay 100% of my health care expenses. Now I have to pay for fat slobs insurance? Fair??? Hell no. So many of you who support Odumbocare have no skin in the game. If this was adversely impacting you financially you'd be enraged just as I am. We are a nation of fat slobs for the most part ... and most of those slobs have CHOSEN to have 'pre-existing' conditions.
 
Quote from DHOHHI:

I didn't care. But then again I have paid 100% of my health care costs the past 18 years. And answer this ... do you think it's appropriate or fair that I now have to subsidize these uninsured people? They made conscious choices to either (1) not be insured or (2) to live a lifestyle that was unhealthy or (3) and these I have empathy for ... those with REAL pre-existing conditions. Why the hell have I focused on a healthy lifestyle? Because I know it prolongs my life and also because I know I pay 100% of my health care expenses. Now I have to pay for fat slobs insurance? Fair??? Hell no. So many of you who support Odumbocare have no skin in the game. If this was adversely impacting you financially you'd be enraged just as I am. We are a nation of fat slobs for the most part ... and most of those slobs have CHOSEN to have 'pre-existing' conditions.

Yes I think it's fair to have a national health insurance policy. Unhealthy lifestyles is a legit concern so is losing your job and insurance and having health problems and being unable to purchase new insurance. This isn't a simple problem. Even with a perfect solution some people will be unhappy.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Yes I think it's fair to have a national health insurance policy. Unhealthy lifestyles is a legit concern so is losing your job and insurance and having health problems and being unable to purchase new insurance. This isn't a simple problem. Even with a perfect solution some people will be unhappy.

This does come around to the first question - Do the citizens of the United States believe the country should have universal healthcare coverage?

This, of course, can (and will) be debated. I will note that many other western nations have universal healthcare coverage.

The next question (if the previous answer was 'Yes') will be - is Obamacare the proper way to provide universal coverage? The immediate answer to this is "No" because ACA drives costs up rather than down, and is also a give-away to the for-profit insurance companies.

If the U.S. believes that universal health coverage is a worthwhile objective (which is debatable) then the proper way to go about it is to create a public plan and force the private insurance companies to compete against the public plan to drive costs down. There are plenty of western nations with excellent universal coverage models including public and competing private plans which can be used as a model for the U.S. - instead we got the train-wreck known as Obamacare.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Insurance companies cancel plans but not people's freedom to get a different plan, which they will in most cases.

They probably will. But they haven't, yet. Which brings me back to my kudos to you and your article about enrollment vs. those who have lost insurance.
 
Commie @ssholes accomplished goal #1 for taking over a culture; Government controlled healthcare. They don't care how much it costs or how many people it will destroy. They have all the records, they will be able to kill their opposition in medical facilities, that makes them happy. Shutting down the opposition is the only road to success they have. They can't just tell people what they are going to do, nobody would give them that much power but if they sell it one step at a time they can achieve supreme power.

The Medical Cartel saw them coming and took full advantage of course. They made sure that Obama looks like an idiot. They also don't care if anti-communists die in medical facilities, or if anybody dies for that matter. It's a strange marriage of psychopathic political desires with psychopathic greed.
 
Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

... It's a strange marriage of psychopathic political desires with psychopathic greed.
And the Illuminati, don't forget the Illuminati.
 
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