The Obamacare success stories you haven't been hearing about

[Tsing Tao]

And indeed, fifty thousand people signed up online for New Jersey’s gambling sites in the first week. That compares with 741 who signed up for Obamacare during all of October. Yes, the Obamacare website has been plagued with problems, but the disparity between the two programs is still eye-popping.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365559/roll-dice-john-fund

LOL

 

[Ricter]

Kentucky Governor To Mitch McConnell: Get Your Facts Straight On Obamacare
By Jennifer Bandery
Posted: 12/05/2013 12:11 pm EST | Updated: 12/05/2013 1:49 pm EST

"WASHINGTON -- It was just Wednesday night that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) railed against the Affordable Care Act, calling it a "catastrophic failure" for people everywhere.

"This is beyond fixing. It needs to be pulled out root and branch and we need to start over," McConnell said during an interview on Fox's "On The Record With Greta Van Susteren." "It's been a catastrophe for health care and for the economy at large."

"But the governor of McConnell's home state came to Capitol Hill on Thursday with a vastly different message: the health care law is working, and people in Kentucky can't get enough of it.

"I have a U.S. senator who keeps saying Kentuckians don't want this. Well, the facts don't prove that out," Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D) told reporters.

"Beshear said more than 550,000 people have visited the state's Obamacare enrollment website since it launched on Oct. 1. More than 180,000 have called into the health care call center and about 69,000 people have signed up, or about 1,000 Kentuckians per day. Of those who have signed up, he said, 41 percent are under the age of 35."

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[DHOHHI]

Quote from bigarrow:

Yes I think it's fair to have a national health insurance policy. Unhealthy lifestyles is a legit concern so is losing your job and insurance and having health problems and being unable to purchase new insurance. This isn't a simple problem. Even with a perfect solution some people will be unhappy.

But no intelligent person would agree that the 4 plans (bronze, silver, gold & platinum) that we are being forced to adhere to makes any sense. We should have choices in what coverage we want or need. People who are healthy and live an active lifestyle, exercise and eat good stuff, should be allowed to choose a high deductible policy.

The way it's set up now is analogous to saying I can't buy a sedan doe $20K. But I am required to buy a $50K SUV. And I will pay full sticker price. Meanwhile others will get the same SUV buy pay $5K for the $50K valued vehicle. Multiple issues exist .. (1) a sedan is something that meets many peoples needs (2) subsidizing the payment is discriminatory. And the way Obamacare works is worst of all ... if your income exceeds the upper limit by $1 then you get zero.

And again, being redundant, why the heck would 50 year olds, or 60 year olds CHOOSE to buy a policy with maternity coverage? They wouldn't. Nor would the buy pediatric dental care. And they wouldn't buy pediatric vision care. Many would skip mental health coverage. Most people I know, when they shop for a product, buy what meets their needs.

Would an 75 year old who only uses a PC for email but a $300 laptop of a $1000 laptop? The lesser expensive one ... unless they were forced to buy the $1000 one. That's where Obamacare is completely screwed up ... not allowing intelligent people to make a choice that is optimal for them but instead telling every one of us what we need and then forcing us to buy a crappy product that is cost inefficient.

 

[DHOHHI]

Quote from gwb-trading:



If the U.S. believes that universal health coverage is a worthwhile objective (which is debatable) then the proper way to go about it is to create a public plan and force the private insurance companies to compete against the public plan to drive costs down. There are plenty of western nations with excellent universal coverage models including public and competing private plans which can be used as a model for the U.S. - instead we got the train-wreck known as Obamacare.

Make it an ala carte type of plan where every person can choose what services/coverage they want. That way you know up front what you're covered for.

 

[DHOHHI]

Quote from Ricter:

Kentucky Governor To Mitch McConnell: Get Your Facts Straight On Obamacare
By Jennifer Bandery
Posted: 12/05/2013 12:11 pm EST | Updated: 12/05/2013 1:49 pm EST

"WASHINGTON -- It was just Wednesday night that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) railed against the Affordable Care Act, calling it a "catastrophic failure" for people everywhere.

"This is beyond fixing. It needs to be pulled out root and branch and we need to start over," McConnell said during an interview on Fox's "On The Record With Greta Van Susteren." "It's been a catastrophe for health care and for the economy at large."

"But the governor of McConnell's home state came to Capitol Hill on Thursday with a vastly different message: the health care law is working, and people in Kentucky can't get enough of it.

"I have a U.S. senator who keeps saying Kentuckians don't want this. Well, the facts don't prove that out," Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D) told reporters.

"Beshear said more than 550,000 people have visited the state's Obamacare enrollment website since it launched on Oct. 1. More than 180,000 have called into the health care call center and about 69,000 people have signed up, or about 1,000 Kentuckians per day. Of those who have signed up, he said, 41 percent are under the age of 35."

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In KY the majority have signed up for MEDICAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Quote from DHOHHI:

But no intelligent person would agree that the 4 plans (bronze, silver, gold & platinum) that we are being forced to adhere to makes any sense. We should have choices in what coverage we want or need. People who are healthy and live an active lifestyle, exercise and eat good stuff, should be allowed to choose a high deductible policy.

The way it's set up now is analogous to saying I can't buy a sedan doe $20K. But I am required to buy a $50K SUV. And I will pay full sticker price. Meanwhile others will get the same SUV buy pay $5K for the $50K valued vehicle. Multiple issues exist .. (1) a sedan is something that meets many peoples needs (2) subsidizing the payment is discriminatory. And the way Obamacare works is worst of all ... if your income exceeds the upper limit by $1 then you get zero.

And again, being redundant, why the heck would 50 year olds, or 60 year olds CHOOSE to buy a policy with maternity coverage? They wouldn't. Nor would the buy pediatric dental care. And they wouldn't buy pediatric vision care. Many would skip mental health coverage. Most people I know, when they shop for a product, buy what meets their needs.

Would an 75 year old who only uses a PC for email but a $300 laptop of a $1000 laptop? The lesser expensive one ... unless they were forced to buy the $1000 one. That's where Obamacare is completely screwed up ... not allowing intelligent people to make a choice that is optimal for them but instead telling every one of us what we need and then forcing us to buy a crappy product that is cost inefficient.

"no intelligent person" DH that's a big all encompassing statement and I think you'll agree an exaggeration. I think you're mainly pissed because of your own personal experience and I can understand that but the policy shouldn't be geared to any one person but what works best for the majority of people. To make what could be an unlimited number of choices and exclusions would make the system unworkable. Will the young people be covered for heart attacks or should they be able to exclude coverage for that, what about broken hips from falls, should that be an exclusion too?

Your SUV and computer examples are silly and have no bearing on the issue, but were enjoyable to read because of that.

 

[DHOHHI]

Quote from bigarrow:

"no intelligent person" DH that's a big all encompassing statement and I think you'll agree an exaggeration. I think you're mainly pissed because of your own personal experience and I can understand that but the policy shouldn't be geared to any one person but what works best for the majority of people. To make what could be an unlimited number of choices and exclusions would make the system unworkable. Will the young people be covered for heart attacks or should they be able to exclude coverage for that, what about broken hips from falls, should that be an exclusion too?

Your SUV and computer examples are silly and have no bearing on the issue, but were enjoyable to read because of that.

I don't believe there is any educated person who would honestly think the 10 mandated parts of coverage make any sense at all.

We've had health insurance for many, many years. And we've had choices on the type of policy for all those years. What is wrong with a high deductible policy for people who CHOOSE to be healthy? Nothing! Now we're being told "one size fits all".

There is NOTHING logical as to the 10 required parts of Obamacare; nothing at all. If we're forced to pay for pediatric dental care then why isn't dental care covered for ourself? Same with pediatric vision .. why isn't vision part of the required package?

No one person or group can make a wise decision that impacts everyone is the US. An overweight or obese person might realize they have more health risks than a fit person and they in turn might choose to (1) get in better shape (2) buy more coverage.

My car example was actually there for a point ... if we can have a President (i.e. dictator) mandate what we are forced to buy with health insurance what's next?

 

[bigarrow]

Dh from what I remember the ACA deductibles ranged from 6K to 1K. 6K isn't huge but it isn't a low deductible either. Hey I don't know if this will work out to be what it's supposed to be but I do know what we had wasn't too good either. This should (hopefully) be a first step in covering everyone with at least a minimal health coverage, with improvements to come, again hopefully.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigarrow:

Dh from what I remember the ACA deductibles ranged from 6K to 1K. 6K isn't huge but it isn't a low deductible either. Hey I don't know if this will work out to be what it's supposed to be but I do know what we had wasn't too good either. This should (hopefully) be a first step in covering everyone with at least a minimal health coverage, with improvements to come, again hopefully.

So we just need some more hope and change and it'll all be good. Who knew?

 

[Lucrum]

HOUSTON, December 2, 2013 - Do you want Katherine Sebelius deciding whether you are going to have access to life saving healthcare? The Independent Payment Advisory Board, or Obamacare Death Panels, are the reason that Kathleen Sebelius, current secretary of Health and Human Services will not get fired for the absolute disaster of the Obamacare roll out.

On Monday of last week, Mark Halperin, political editor for Time Magazine and a well-respected liberal journalist was on “The Steve Malzberg Show” on NewsMax radio and was asked the following question : “…so, you believe there will be rationing, a.k.a. “death panels (in Obamacare)?”

His response was, “It’s built into the plan. It’s not like a guess or a judgment. That’s part of how costs are controlled.”

Halperin is correct, and these Obamacare “death panels” are innocuously referred to as the Independent Payment Advisory Board (“IPAB”). IPAB is a board made up of up to 15 unelected bureaucrats. Progressive Democrat Sen. Howard Dean of Vermont described it well in a July 28, 2013 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal as follows:

“The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.”

The Democrats in the Senate recently changed a rule that is hundreds of years old effectively blocking the minority party from filibustering Presidential nominations, excluding those to the Supreme Court. Therefore, now all Presidential nominations will only need 51 votes in the Senate for confirmation, rather than 60 votes that was previously required if the minority party chose to filibuster a nominee.

This decision and the IPAB are intimately related. This administration is always scheming to steal freedom from We The People, and this situation is no different.

IPAB is tasked with making “proposals” to Congress when Medicare spending reaches a certain level. Michael Cannon and Diane Cohen describe the implications of these “proposals” in their Policy Analysis for the CATO institute titled, “The Independent Payment Advisory Board: PPACA’s Anti-Constitutional and Authoritarian Super-Legislature,” (see attached pdf) as follows:

“When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it. Blocking an IPAB “proposal” requires at a minimum that the House and the Senate and the president agree on a substitute. The Board’s edicts therefore can become law without congressional action, congressional approval, meaningful congressional oversight, or being subject to a presidential veto. Citizens will have no power to challenge IPAB’s edicts in court…IPAB’s unelected members will have effectively unfettered power to impose taxes and ration care for all Americans, whether the government pays their medical bills or not…”

If that isn’t scary enough, according to the wording of Obamacare, Congress cannot repeal IPAB (without repealing Obamacare in its entirety) except during a small 7 month window in 2017. If Congress does not repeal IPAB during that 7 month window, there is never another chance to do so...

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes....-obamacare-death-panels-requir/#ixzz2meljAzgM