The number of Americans who are godless heathens is rising

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Religion is an excuse to feign accountability. Always has been. It often causes bad outcomes and helps weaken communities.
Many religious people will divide communities and families between those who do fall for their nonsense and those who don't.
Fortunately in this country, law comes before God or otherwise there would be no accountability.

Like Roy Moore and countless other people who label themselves religious have demonstrated, religious accountability is no accountability at all.

The Strength of the culture of the people of the United States was derived from personal freedom leading to a can-do and a problem solving attitude as well as accountability and a solid work ethic as encouraged by Christianity. One does not have to be a Christian to be a productive member of society, but the odds in my opinion favor those who have committed themselves to the community rather than those who just think about themselves.

I will ask you what I have asked Leftists before: If you are a U.S. citizen, do you love your country? Is everthing about you? I hope you will provide an answer that will suprise me.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

News from today

The Rev. Bill Hybels, founder of one of the nation’s most influential evangelical megachurches, is stepping down “less than a month after a Chicago Tribune investigation disclosed that Hybels had been the subject of inquiries by church leaders into claims that he ran afoul of church teachings by engaging in inappropriate behavior with women in his congregation — including employees — allegedly spanning decades.”

Fine by me. Oust the sinners. Wish the church did it on their own accord and not had to be shamed into it. Oh, and they can take Trump, too. We gave him his chance.

 

[exGOPer]

Fine by me. Oust the sinners. Wish the church did it on their own accord and not had to be shamed into it. Oh, and they can take Trump, too. We gave him his chance.

The point is, people do what's convenient for them, Christ didn't espouse all the rules that churches preach to people, he was a radical who mocked conservatism of his times.

 

[CaptainObvious]

We'll see who has the courage of their convictions when the missiles start to fly. I expect more will be praying than not.

 

[Cuddles]

The Strength of the culture of the people of the United States was derived from personal freedom leading to a can-do and a problem solving attitude as well as accountability and a solid work ethic as encouraged by Christianity. One does not have to be a Christian to be a productive member of society, but the odds in my opinion favor those who have committed themselves to the community rather than those who just think about themselves.

I will ask you what I have asked Leftists before: If you are a U.S. citizen, do you love your country? Is everthing about you? I hope you will provide an answer that will suprise me.

The irony you fail to see here is that the commune is to communism as individualism is to American democracy.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

The irony you fail to see here is that the commune is to communism as individualism is to American democracy.

Good point. That thought crossed my mind and admittedly found myself trying to “write around” that “problem”. The fact that you still picked up that implies this is appears to be a foundational point and means I need to examine this closely to see if my thinking needs to be adjusted on this subject.

 

[stu]

I will ask you what I have asked Leftists before: If you are a U.S. citizen, do you love your country? Is everthing about you?

If you ask that of 'Leftists' then why ask me?
Nevertheless, I defer to H4M's excellent point, but just to say your question might be more appropriately directed toward religious people and communities who express their love and allegiance to God before country.
The cynical and contradictory relinquishment of individualism for imaginary religious concepts in a hope of gaining some kind of assumed eternal life via self-aggrandizement to a so called higher power before love of country. Maybe ask those folks "Is everything about you?".

 

[OddTrader]

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-statesmen-are-perverted.320055/#post-4637704

When the Ideas of Thinkers and Great Statesmen Are Perverted
By John Tamny
April 10, 2018

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/ar..._and_dead_statesmen_are_perverted_103217.html

When John Maynard Keynes visited Washington, D.C. in 1944, and met with professed Keynesians, he remarked that “I was the only non-Keynesian in the room.” Having read and fully agreed with Friedrich Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, Keynes was plainly surprised by the perversion of his ideas by his ambitious disciples. Keynes was no longer a Keynesian.