O.T. For some reason I can't see loyek590 posts on my computer, but see them when I'm on my phone. Not ignoring you, but something is messed up. Might be the devil.:eek:
you've simply progressed to the point where you no longer need my help or posts, don't forget me, and post if you figure out anything new, we are all in this togetherO.T. For some reason I can't see loyek590 posts on my computer, but see them when I'm on my phone. Not ignoring you, but something is messed up. Might be the devil.:eek:
no kidding, one side says the universe always existed and the other side says God always existed, so the compromise is the Universe is God.
(I think the proper term is pantheism)

the oldest book in the Bible is the book of Job. And the lesson is, "Never ask God why."Still leaves the question of why.![]()
to have an honest conversation on this subject with you stu, you need to stop (implicitly or explicitly) asserting science speculation is fact.
Yes, you're on to something I have contemplated myself. Still while we may be part of, are we equal to whatever the prime driver might be? If not, and it's a if for sure, then are we judged? My opinion, I think not, as it really doesn't make sense to judge your creation if it/we doesn't live up to your expectations, and even less sense if it does. But again, this thing is under no obligation to make any sense at all, at least to our primitive minds.That is a haunting question, unless... we're not separate from the Universe.
To have an honest conversation on this subject with you jem, you need to stop making false accusations all the time.
You also need to stop implicitly or explicitly asserting big c.... Creator as if there has to be one, and stop suggesting math, science and the laws of physics, is speculation on par with an imaginary boogy man.