The Fine Tuning of the Universe
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we think about it all the time because we remember the first time we felt His power. We might be a little light on science, but we make up for it with inquisitiveness. All we want to know is, "Who or what was that?" At first the scientists don't have very good answers, so we look to religion, and they have even worse answers. After that it just becomes a life long quest.
"What the heck was that? Have you ever felt any power like that?
You think that could have been God?
I don't know but that's what it felt like to me."
and then everytime on ET we try to talk about God we have to educate the small minded elitists and tell them, "No we are not talking about the God you were taught about in your church when you were a kid, and sorry about that chip on your shoulder when He didn't answer your prayer to become Superman or get that date with the cheerleader."
Opinions, they do vary. What if we're talking about the same thing? In the vastness of empty space where there was nothing but time, something can to be. Cause why? We don't know. Men of science and theology alike call this the "uncaused cause". At some point all must take this position regardless of their belief, science or otherwise. What if, over the span of eons that no man alive can imagine or relate to, this something became self aware? Take the position that given enough time anything is possible. This thing began to create? Why? Again, why not? There doesn't need to be a reason, sensible or not. Does this thing need to be worshipped? No, not at all, but one can easily understand how a frightened an ignorant creature would do so. Why does this worship continue today? It's painfully obvious that while we advance by leaps and bounds technologically, we are barely out of the cave socially. So we worship unnecessarily, but a humble man might see fit to give thanks to a creator, which isn't a bad thing. A humble man seek guidance from something which can create such a thing as life. A humble may show gratitude for being given the opportunity to be among the living. A humble man may pray for strength and acceptance to understand that which he is not able to understand or accept. None of this activity is worship.
Does this thing have an actual interest in what it creates? Doesn't need to, but then again it might. Is there a bigger plan that we can now comprehend? Doesn't need to, but then again, why not?
All it takes to open your mind to the possibilities is to get past your previous prejudices, misconceptions and conflict with some zealots in organized religion and those activist atheists. Then and only then can you open your mind to what might be without regard for the need to be "right".
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I must say although I know more or less how we came to be, and how we now can observe the universe that made us, it is none the less remarkable. In fact, it is more so.
In the vastness of empty space where there was nothing but time, something can to be. Cause why? We don't know. Men of science and theology alike call this the "uncaused cause". At some point all must take this position regardless of their belief, science or otherwise.
You are assuming that there was nothing. We do not know that. Nor do we have to take that position. We don't need an uncaused cause It is more logical to assume that there was something before it. A different state of our universe. There even may be other universes. Perhaps an infinite number.
You are assuming that there was nothing. We do not know that. Nor do we have to take that position. We don't need an uncaused cause It is more logical to assume that there was something before it. A different state of our universe. There even may be other universes. Perhaps an infinite number.
I afraid that there does need to be an uncaused cause. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson , Dawkins and the like agree on that. No matter how far back you go, how many or whatever the scenario one can imagine the question remains. Who or what caused that? The very premise of the universe not needing to make sense is based upon an uncaused cause. I have heard Tyson himself say(on his show Star Talk) that he is comfortable with that.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
Where did your other universes come from? Similar to, who or what created God? There has to be an uncaused cause.
Nope, there does not need to be an uncaused cause. "It" just always was and it just always changes.
Then we disagree and you disagree with some pretty smart people. People on your side of the debate. I guess that's what keeps the ball rolling.