The EV transition is real

VicBee said:
there are many YT videos and articles to explain why
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If you find a good one let me know... I'm genuinely interested. Until then I will continue to enjoy my new ICE 1.6 turbo DCT that I bought for a mere song and dance [sans subsidies] :cool:
 
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spy said:
But, I still want to ask a question... why don't EV and PHEV cars have solar panels integrated into the roof and bonnet?

It seems like an obvious thing to do and can't bring myself to consider one until I have an answer.
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I’m not sure why you think it’s “an obvious thing to do”. Between the extra costs of installing the panels in a car body vs a fixed industrial-scale site chosen explicitly for its insolation, and the fact that most cars spend most of their time in garages, parked under trees or otherwise not exposed to the sun, the cost-benefit of such an arrangement must be minimal and far below installing the panels almost anywhere else.
 
Specterx said:
I’m not sure why you think it’s “an obvious thing to do”. Between the extra costs of installing the panels in a car body vs a fixed industrial-scale site chosen explicitly for its insolation, and the fact that most cars spend most of their time in garages, parked under trees or otherwise not exposed to the sun, the cost-benefit of such an arrangement must be minimal and far below installing the panels almost anywhere else.
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You've taken me out of context, I said it seems like an obvious thing to do. I don't think most people give this kind of thought to their daily driver... they buy something that works and 10-15 years later, when it's falling apart at the seams, they buy another one. More than anything I think the buying decision is based on color and style.

And, although I think there is great potential for EVs in the long term. In the short term, there are a huge number of obstacles... genuine consumer education is certainly one of them. The lack of infrastructure is another as well as a large upfront cost. The used-car market is still big too (maybe we should be talking about carmax instead). In addition, I don't think subsidies are a reasonable answer.

So, right now, there's a lot of uncertainty in my eyes. The earliest I see reasonably wide-spread adoption is... idk.... 15 years? That's way too far out to forecast for my comfort.

Fwiw, in my own experience, I only know one person with an EV, they barely drive, and it is not even their only car. It amounts to virtue signalling and conspicuous consumption. You wanna do something good for the environment right now... pedal a bicycle; I do and love it!

P.S. Great thread title though!
 
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spy said:
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Fwiw, in my own experience, I only know one person with an EV, they barely drive, and it is not even their only car. It amounts to virtue signalling and conspicuous consumption. You wanna do something good for the environment right now... pedal a bicycle; I do and love it!

P.S. Great thread title though!
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Same. Multiple ICE vehicles in many of the (uhhh upper income) households I've been to.

Pedal power on days when humidity is not atrocious down here, which this time of the year is .... always. I either get out early or later on in eve.

And we don't need no stinkin' electric bikes, though those are popular too. Lazy azzes.
 
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spy said:
You've taken me out of context, I said it seems like an obvious thing to do. I don't think most people give this kind of thought to their daily driver... they buy something that works and 10-15 years later, when it's falling apart at the seams, they buy another one. More than anything I think the buying decision is based on color and style.

And, although I think there is great potential for EVs in the long term. In the short term, there are a huge number of obstacles... genuine consumer education is certainly one of them. The lack of infrastructure is another as well as a large upfront cost. The used-car market is still big too (maybe we should be talking about carmax instead). In addition, I don't think subsidies are a reasonable answer.

So, right now, there's a lot of uncertainty in my eyes. The earliest I see reasonably wide-spread adoption is... idk.... 15 years? That's way too far out to forecast for my comfort.

Fwiw, in my own experience, I only know one person with an EV, they barely drive, and it is not even their only car. It amounts to virtue signalling and conspicuous consumption. You wanna do something good for the environment right now... pedal a bicycle; I do and love it!

P.S. Great thread title though!
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If you want to see what tomorrow looks like today in the US, you'll want to spend time in California where EV adoption is highest. And if you really want to have your mind blown away, you should take a drive across the Golden Gate Bridge to Marin County and Mill Valley. There, you will find that 2/3 of vehicles are EVs, primarily Tesla, and that 90% of the houses have solar roofs and Powerwalls. The region isn't a bubble, it's the spearhead of what is to become in CA within 10-15 years.
 
Ok, I'll take your word for it. A bit of advice though... you're not going to beat people into submission. If you can't convince them with your reasoning just let it go; less stress bruv.

VicBee said:
If you want to see what tomorrow looks like today in the US, you'll want to spend time in California where EV adoption is highest. And if you really want to have your mind blown away, you should take a drive across the Golden Gate Bridge to Marin County and Mill Valley. There, you will find that 2/3 of vehicles are EVs, primarily Tesla, and that 90% of the houses have solar roofs and Powerwalls. The region isn't a bubble, it's the spearhead of what is to become in CA within 10-15 years.
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