The EV transition is real

[VicBee]

Same here and that is why PHEV for now.

Wrong answer. PHEV in theory isn't a bad idea, but both manufacturers and operators are abusing the concept. Manufacturers by putting an underwhelming battery only good for a few miles, and operators by not recharging the battery when depleted. As a result, the mileage efficiency is bs and, for the consumer, it's double the powertrain/double the trouble. PHEV have the highest mechanical problems of either and the lowest resale value.

Let's be real, manufacturers have been gaming the emissions rules for decades.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vw-just-the-latest-in-long-history-of-cheating-car-companies/

While some here may argue that we shouldn't have standards in the first place, I would take the opposite take that government hasn't been stringent enough for letting manufacturers self report. Tail pipe pollution isn't a pipe dream, and one day, when ICE engines will finally become obsolete, we will remember the era much like the early days of industrialization, necessary but with brutal consequences on human health.
Electric energy is the future, to power vehicles, homes and industries. Dirty energies will create electric power until green energies are built to replace them all. The world is well on its way to reach that goal despite the naysayers. So much has been achieved in the last 20 years and the transition is accelerating. The next 20 years will be exciting.

 

[ironchef]

Wrong answer. PHEV in theory isn't a bad idea, but both manufacturers and operators are abusing the concept. Manufacturers by putting an underwhelming battery only good for a few miles, and operators by not recharging the battery when depleted. As a result, the mileage efficiency is bs and, for the consumer, it's double the powertrain/double the trouble. PHEV have the highest mechanical problems of either and the lowest resale value.

Let's be real, manufacturers have been gaming the emissions rules for decades.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vw-just-the-latest-in-long-history-of-cheating-car-companies/

While some here may argue that we shouldn't have standards in the first place, I would take the opposite take that government hasn't been stringent enough for letting manufacturers self report. Tail pipe pollution isn't a pipe dream, and one day, when ICE engines will finally become obsolete, we will remember the era much like the early days of industrialization, necessary but with brutal consequences on human health.
Electric energy is the future, to power vehicles, homes and industries. Dirty energies will create electric power until green energies are built to replace them all. The world is well on its way to reach that goal despite the naysayers. So much has been achieved in the last 20 years and the transition is accelerating. The next 20 years will be exciting.

I respectfully disagree. You sounded exactly like an absolutist.

A 50 mile EV range is sufficient for most commutes and errands, a 45MPG combined city/hwy using ICE, filled up my gas tank twice a year, when needed is not bad for the environment while I wait for better charging tech and stations.

And a price of $23K after tax credit certainly beats Tesla 3 price after tax credit.

 

[VicBee]

I respectfully disagree. You sounded exactly like an absolutist.

A 50 mile EV range is sufficient for most commutes and errands, a 45MPG combined city/hwy using ICE, filled up my gas tank twice a year, when needed is not bad for the environment while I wait for better charging tech and stations.

And a price of $23K after tax credit certainly beats Tesla 3 price after tax credit.

You speak of your personal experience and I'm glad you have been able to get such good efficiency with your vehicle. I'm speaking in terms of general statistics coming from PHEVs:

https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/en/pr...plug-in hybrids,1.7 liters per 100 kilometers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/01/30/plug-in-hybrid-car-worth-it/

As I wrote earlier, the tech for EVs is evolving rapidly. If you buy a PHEV for 5 to 10 years you're not doing yourself any favor:

https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-t...e-in-under-five-minutes-and-last-for-50-years

Traditional auto manufacturers are looking for ways to continue selling engines, which are their bread and butter. Adding a battery and cloaking it as green is wrong. Per the linked article, the gas mileage is also way off when driven in real world circumstances. If fact, Europe isn't duped, they will ban PHEVs with ICE vehicles by 2035.

 

[nitrene]

Where is all this electricity going to come from? And how much will cost. Here in supposed "Green" California I pay over $0.55-$0.60/kwh. It was $0.15 just 5 years ago. So if you don't own a home and have $50K solar set up, its cheaper to keep using an ICE car.

You can thank Newsom for killing the retail Solar industry in California. They have decided to instead to focus on industrial solar farms and I guess it works for them but it screws the average Californian. And this idiot wants to run for President. Just another slick willy taking bribes from PG & E.

 

[TheDawn]

My biggest concern of EV is battery replacement. The battery life is about 15 years. If you want to keep your car longer that, adding the cost of replacing the battery once, EV is not a good deal even with $7500 tax credit.

Well there are ways to prolong the battery life by optimizing its usage. Apparently the most optimal charge level is between 40 - 60% so it saves you money that you won't even need to keep it fully charged and it prolongs the battery that it might last longer than 15 years.

My brother-in-law just got a Tesla recently and it's a really nice car!! I mean forget it being an EV, just as a car on its own, it's really really really well-designed. It's super smooth and drives really well. Plus it's feature-rich. I mean if Tesla is a gas car and cheaper, I would definitely buy it.

 

[SunTrader]

I respectfully disagree. You sounded exactly like an absolutist.

A 50 mile EV range is sufficient for most commutes and errands, a 45MPG combined city/hwy using ICE, filled up my gas tank twice a year, when needed is not bad for the environment while I wait for better charging tech and stations.

And a price of $23K after tax credit certainly beats Tesla 3 price after tax credit.

That.

We are along way away from 100% green, if we ever truly reach it. Until then use the best that is available and hybrid IMO are that. I will consider one next new one I buy.

 

[ironchef]

That.

We are along way away from 100% green, if we ever truly reach it. Until then use the best that is available and hybrid IMO are that. I will consider one next new one I buy.

Toyota hybrids get amazing MPG.

PHEV is my answer for now. My Honda gets 50 miles on EV mode which is most of what I needed most days.

 

[ironchef]

As I wrote earlier, the tech for EVs is evolving rapidly. If you buy a PHEV for 5 to 10 years you're not doing yourself any favor:

To each his own.

I have been driving my Honda Clarity for 5 years now as my primary daily driver and am very happy with it. It should be good for another 5 years.

I can count with my fingers the # of times I filled up in the last 5 years, each time about 3 gallons.

 

[VicBee]

To each his own.

I have been driving my Honda Clarity for 5 years now as my primary daily driver and am very happy with it. It should be good for another 5 years.

I can count with my fingers the # of times I filled up in the last 5 years, each time about 3 gallons.

If, like you seem to be, you're a conscientious driver, focused on efficiency, your PHEV is much of an improvement over ICE. Btw, Honda no longer sells the Clarity.

 

[ironchef]

Btw, Honda no longer sells the Clarity.

I know, it is too bad. For some reason they couldn't even give it away. I got mine for less than the price of a cheap ICE subcompact.

Perhaps you are right, few people in the US wants an in between car.