The EV transition is real

ironchef said:
I know, it is too bad. For some reason they couldn't even give it away. :( I got mine for less than the price of a cheap ICE subcompact.

Perhaps you are right, few people in the US wants an in between car.
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EVs will soon render PHEV obsolete because of advances in speed of charge and energy density. I think a true 300 miles autonomy is plenty enough, provided the vehicle can be charged in less than 10 mn.
 
VicBee said:
EVs will soon render PHEV obsolete because of advances in speed of charge and energy density. I think a true 300 miles autonomy is plenty enough, provided the vehicle can be charged in less than 10 mn.
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Soon? :confused:

Elon says often enough too.

Actually he gives target year for many things. None are ever .... on target.

Consumer buy reality, not hopes and wishes.
 
SunTrader said:
Soon? :confused:

Elon says often enough too.

Actually he gives target year for many things. None are ever .... on target.

Consumer buy reality, not hopes and wishes.
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Again, we can disagree on the timeline, not the outcome. Many labs have created proofs of concepts and working prototypes but the hard work, as Musk likes to repeat, is production. 10 years in EV supply chain time is very long.
 
Like many conversations on ET, this one has degraded from a food fight into a shit show.

But, I still want to ask a question... why don't EV and PHEV cars have solar panels integrated into the roof and bonnet?

It seems like an obvious thing to do and can't bring myself to consider one until I have an answer.
 
spy said:
Like many conversations on ET, this one has degraded from a food fight into a shit show.

But, I still want to ask a question... why don't EV and PHEV cars have solar panels integrated into the roof and bonnet?
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There are very few that do, like the now defunct Ocean model from Fisker. Fact is, they don't produce enough energy to be worthwhile.
 
VicBee said:
Fact is, they [solar panels] don't produce enough energy to be worthwhile.
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That's a simple and straightforward answer, which I greatly appreciate. However, by structural induction, the same argument could then be made about the entire concept of an [PH]EV, no? Which would basically push EV domination further and further out in time.

Contra principia negantem non est disputandum
 
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spy said:
That's a simple and straightforward answer, which I greatly appreciate. However, by induction, the same argument could then be made about the entire concept of an [PH]EV, no? Which would basically push the argument for EV domination further and further out in time.

Contra principia negantem non est disputandum
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I don't see the correlation but there are many YT videos and articles to explain why. It takes about 6 solar panels to charge a vehicle for its daily avg 48 miles.
 
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