The American educational system is a disaster, so the rich turn to the best

[clacy]

Quote from trade4succes:

ad 1) Afaik, walking around in this big cities of any of these countries, you'll encounter almost more minorities than indigenous people.

Due to the collapse of the black culture, our inner cities are basically cesspools for crimes and dysfunctional families. These kids have no chance at succeeding and it's only perpetuated by the fact that blacks/democrats insist on only playing the victim card, rather than telling the hard truth and demanding improvement from black adults.

It's beyond repair unfortunately. It started with slavery of course, but the Dems have taken the same route that we took with the American Indians, which is to basically throw welfare at them, encourage the victim mentality, and have extremely low expectations.

 

[NoDoji]

Quote from cmb:

as Mr Scataphagos says that the problem is Socialism...the argument could be made and is more compelling that capitalism is the problem.

Our public mis-education system is another example of the welfare capitalism our country is currently based on. Taxpayers subsidize publicly traded corporations many of which, if required to take responsibility for harm they cause, would quickly go bankrupt. Education is Big Business.

http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/unschooling.cfm

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from NoDoji:

Our public mis-education system is another example of the welfare capitalism our country is currently based on. Taxpayers subsidize publicly traded corporations many of which, if required to take responsibility for harm they cause, would quickly go bankrupt. Education is Big Business.

http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/unschooling.cfm

CMB is an idiot!

 

[cmb]

Quote from Scataphagos:

CMB is an idiot!

lol how do you figure?

Nodoji is correct..., education is big business AKA Capitalism, however its not true capitalism, its welfare capitalism that the CEOs get. Hey I'm having trouble with my mortgage, oops I lose my house. Car companies are having trouble...I bail them out. haha

Like I said in a different thread, every person on this board would have more money in their pockets at the end of the year in most socialist countries.

 

[drownpruf]

An average student isn't going to do well enough on the SAT as compensation for mediocre grades in say, the Manhattan PS system. I don't care how well you drill.

 

[NoDoji]

Quote from cmb:

lol how do you figure?

Nodoji is correct..., education is big business AKA Capitalism, however its not true capitalism, its welfare capitalism that the CEOs get. Hey I'm having trouble with my mortgage, oops I lose my house. Car companies are having trouble...I bail them out. haha

Exactly. True capitalism would allow the markets to be free of bailouts and subsidization of companies and industries that can't support themselves through the natural selection that occurs via supply and demand.

ADD: Packaging subprime mortgages into structured products and labeling them top-rated investments is pure fraud, not natural selection. So why aren't the corporate "welfare queens" (to use a favorite sound bite) in prison for all that fraud?

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from drownpruf:

An average student isn't going to do well enough on the SAT as compensation for mediocre grades in say, the Manhattan PS system. I don't care how well you drill.

Students get out of school what they put into it. Teachers can't "pound knowledge into kids' heads".

I like the "Asian way". Kids get tested to find out which have academic ability. Those kids are promoted to better educations. Others are left to learn about cleaning houses, being janitors, etc. Don't want to be one of the "others"? Better apply yourself to math, English, science.

Should be the same in America.

No, it's NOT... "all you kids are special... you all deserve a trophy just for being alive".

 

[cmb]

Quote from Scataphagos:

Students get out of school what they put into it. Teachers can't "pound knowledge into kids' heads".

You are correct on that too...Thats why you make federal standards and those that do not want or are unable to make the cut go into different fields, they do not continue with higher education.

 

[RAY]

All these arguments really come down to parenting. Yet it almost never comes up in the discussion.

 

[jsp326]

Quote from cmb:

So socialist countries like Finland ,Sweden, Norway, Germany, which are way ahead of us as far education have problems because of socialism?

What happens to all these highly-educated geniuses? They end up in sky-high tax brackets, and have little motivation to innovate or do great things. They can do just as well living on the dole. That's why you don't see many great innovations in IT, medicine, manufacturing, etc., from these countries outside of Germany, where there's an unusually strong history and culture of hard-work.

Also, some of the educational achievements of these countries are overblown, and when you get deep into the stats, you find some strange things...like girls outperforming boys by a large margin. No wonder Europe is so feminized.