The American educational system is a disaster, so the rich turn to the best

Quote from clacy:

Due to the collapse of the black culture, our inner cities are basically cesspools for crimes and dysfunctional families. These kids have no chance at succeeding and it's only perpetuated by the fact that blacks/democrats insist on only playing the victim card, rather than telling the hard truth and demanding improvement from black adults.

It's beyond repair unfortunately. It started with slavery of course, but the Dems have taken the same route that we took with the American Indians, which is to basically throw welfare at them, encourage the victim mentality, and have extremely low expectations.

Oh, but if we only spent $XXXX millions more on edumacation, all our problems would be solved.
 
Quote from RAY:

All these arguments really come down to parenting. Yet it almost never comes up in the discussion.

Nature vs. nurture? It's a cop-out. Most parents do what they can with what they have. It's the demographic of where I am, but I don't know any degens with kids. Maybe they're drunk every night but they're high-functioning if so.

I have a kid with a 200IQ who's ADHD. He can do linear equations out to the margins at 10yo but refuses to do any homework. He should be in HS if not for the lack of EQ. Nearly perfect eidetic memory. I have another child who's 120-130 tested and is the most diligent student you can imagine. Sits at the dining room table each night banging out the homework and extra credit. Will never grade the grades of his younger brother.
 
The education here sucks because teachers are forced to teach interest-based theories and they leave very little room for intellectual analysis. Almost all economics course in the U.S. used text books by Paul Krugman. The curriculum is dictated from the top-down and free-thought as well as free-speech are highly frowned upon.

If I had to pinpoint it to one thing, it would have to be political correctness. It's spreading very quickly and in many ways it handicaps educators.

We don't have educators running our education system, we have Educrats looking after special-interests.

The common core is a perfect example. Nobody really benefits except the few corporations who received these huge contracts to distribute their material to every class room in America.

If you think our education isn't up to par, you are mistaken. Our students are just as bright as any other country. The one difference is that our system is bought and paid for by corporate interests more than any other country.
 
Quote from jsp326:

What happens to all these highly-educated geniuses? They end up in sky-high tax brackets, and have little motivation to innovate or do great things. They can do just as well living on the dole. That's why you don't see many great innovations in IT, medicine, manufacturing, etc., from these countries outside of Germany, where there's an unusually strong history and culture of hard-work.

Also, some of the educational achievements of these countries are overblown, and when you get deep into the stats, you find some strange things...like girls outperforming boys by a large margin. No wonder Europe is so feminized.

And the populations of those homogenous socialist societies? Less than 2% of the global population. It's moot.
 
Quote from EvOTraderV2:

The education here sucks because teachers are forced to teach interest-based theories and they leave very little room for intellectual analysis. Almost all economics course in the U.S. used text books by Paul Krugman. The curriculum is dictated from the top-down and free-thought as well as free-speech are highly frowned upon.

If I had to pinpoint it to one thing, it would have to be political correctness. It's spreading very quickly and in many ways it handicaps educators.

We don't have educators running our education system, we have Educrats looking after special-interests.

The common core is a perfect example. Nobody really benefits except the few corporations who received these huge contracts to distribute their material to every class room in America.

If you think our education isn't up to par, you are mistaken. Our students are just as bright as any other country. The one difference is that our system is bought and paid for by corporate interests more than any other country.

They had courses on linear alg/topology in my HS. Did you take anything past Calc? Don't tell me you did. The point is that the system is fine for those that can excel (will). There has to be a population in the bottom deciles. It's why "Rank and Yank" is so prevalent in the Ivy League. How do you differentiate when you give everyone an A for showing up?

Why do so many Euro and Asian elites come to the US for undergrad?
 
Quote from drownpruf:

They had courses on linear alg/topology in my HS. Did you take anything past Calc? Don't tell me you did. The point is that the system is fine for those that can excel (will). There has to be a population in the bottom deciles. It's why "Rank and Yank" is so prevalent in the Ivy League. How do you differentiate when you give everyone an A for showing up?

Why do so many Euro and Asian elites come to the US for undergrad?

Most don't do it solely for education. In the case of chinese, many want to try and escape their homelands for a more free country. For another, they are easier to get into than the elite schools in China. They have 3x the population we do. There are a lot of factors involved. Heck, one dude in my english class back in the day just wanted to get away from his parents because he feared the life they had prepared for him.
 
Quote from jsp326:

What happens to all these highly-educated geniuses? They end up in sky-high tax brackets, and have little motivation to innovate or do great things. They can do just as well living on the dole. That's why you don't see many great innovations in IT, medicine, manufacturing, etc., from these countries outside of Germany, where there's an unusually strong history and culture of hard-work.

Also, some of the educational achievements of these countries are overblown, and when you get deep into the stats, you find some strange things...like girls outperforming boys by a large margin. No wonder Europe is so feminized.


Not going to debate you on most things, its not worth it. I encourage you to do a little more research on your sky high tax brackets.
I think our Tax brackets are sky high for top earners, unless you are a futures trader which gets a nice break. Even then, most countries in western europe have less capital gains tax then we are subjected to. I will let you research that. While you are at it, check the prices of university and health care in those countries.

I'm not trying to be confrontational here, even though it does sound so....some facts are not correct, and western european countries are always categorized into high tax states that leave no room for opportunity. Where in fact a lot of times its less tax, and might be more beneficial for profitable traders and families if our tax scheme were more like theirs.


As far as girls being more educated then boys, I don't find that weird. In my experience girls do work harder on studying then boys do. But many times they lack competitiveness or the willingness to screw someone over, boys don't care in the least.
In 2008 that willingness to screw investors over by selling fraudulent mortgage backed securities came back to screw us over, and dug us a hole that we may very well not get out of in the long term without things getting much worse.
 
Quote from RAY:

All these arguments really come down to parenting. Yet it almost never comes up in the discussion.

Agreed. Hate to sound like a total partisan because the Republicans aren't a lot better, but the Dems have done their best to destroy the traditional family.

Additionally for many of the family units that are traditional, both parents are forced to work because of lower real wages. This causes parenting to suffer. It's outsourced to the school systems, which we all know is not up to the task.
 
Quote from cmb:

agreed. France, which has a high level of education coming out of highschool, is heading down the same road as we are. But many of the people say its because the highschool expects kids to do too much work that they give up and take a different degree option and start work earlier.

I knew a french guy in university here in the states, he had already done all of the math and science work required in the first 2 years of university here when he was in highschool.

Its not even about state socialism controls or not...if the government mandated a tough academic curriculum , stopped the schools from trying to make a profit on education.

as Mr Scataphagos says that the problem is Socialism...the argument could be made and is more compelling that capitalism is the problem.

Of course a hard right wing person like him wont ever admit that he is wrong.
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Scataphagos is a to-the-bone racist who'll look for any excuse to blame "minorities.". The fact is that White American kids aren't doing so great compared to Whites in other countries.

Here's the bottom line: In France, for example, the Ministry of Education actually runs the school system. There is uniformity nationwide. Here in the good ol' USA, we've made the assbackwards decision to let states and local governments run the school systems. The best the Department of Education can do is to try provide some incentives via funding here and there but it's really the locals who call the shots. This is why the idiocy of creationism can dominate public school biology classes in Texas but not in New York. No real national educational standards here.

Nothing to do with socialism, just dumbfuck Americans being dumbfuck Americans.
 
Quote from EvOTraderV2:

Most don't do it solely for education. In the case of chinese, many want to try and escape their homelands for a more free country. For another, they are easier to get into than the elite schools in China. They have 3x the population we do. There are a lot of factors involved. Heck, one dude in my english class back in the day just wanted to get away from his parents because he feared the life they had prepared for him.

Right, they want to see the Grand Canyon. C'mon, you're entirely talking out of your ass. We have the greatest % of foreign students of any country.
 
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