Teacher Fired for not using Pronoun

[LacesOut]

A Trumptard shouldn't lecture others on 'critical thinking'.

And no such protection applies to employees

Judge Kennedy wrote “When public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens for First Amendment purposes. . .”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcetti_v._Ceballos

Try again inbred, defend your bigots like a proper Saudi Wahabi Jihadi Muslim lover like yourself.

Libtards shouldn’t discuss Jihad with a straight face.
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.: “Some of this Court’s leading First Amendment precedents have established the principle that freedom of speech prohibits the government from telling people what they must say.”

 

[LacesOut]

West Point High school is a public school.

If the school were private - the teacher may not have a case.

 

[exGOPer]

Libtards shouldn’t discuss Jihad with a straight face.
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.: “Some of this Court’s leading First Amendment precedents have established the principle that freedom of speech prohibits the government from telling people what they must say.”

Muslims are religious bigots just like your ilk, what has Jihad got to do with liberals? You think those anti-abortion, anti-LGBT conservative Muslims are liberals?

And this is not just the government telling 'people', this is about an employer telling an employee to follow organizational rules - there is no free speech argument here as Kennedy already explained. Refusing to do your job as instructed is not even remotely close to the 'additional burden' arguments in the clinics case.

Now try again, peddle your pro-Muslim jihadi view like the typical anti-LGBT conservative.

 

[exGOPer]

West Point High school is a public school.

If the school were private - the teacher may not have a case.

That's why I quoted the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES part from Kennedy.

There is no case for the bigot, he can fuck off to Saudi Arabia and teach in a Madrasa.

 

[gwb-trading]

Only if you work for the government as an employee and the calling is part of your job

Actually court precedents demonstrate that calling a student by their given name is the only requirement beyond teaching the material outlined in the state's educational curriculum. Demanding or dictating that a teacher makes particular speech was outlawed by the courts decades ago after teachers were forced to make speeches in their class pushing particular local political candidates to keep their jobs.

Keep in mind that teachers across the U.S. used to be hired & fired by local politicians. When the local politician changed to the other party then all the teachers were fired and new ones hired. The prohibitions on forcing teachers to make any speech not strictly stated in the state curriculum was put in place to prevent this. Forcing a teacher to use a particular pronoun to address anyone, whether it is calling a local politician "sir" or a student by a particular gender pronoun, is also prevented by the courts. Calling a student by a particular pronoun when they were not born that gender is forcing a political agenda and speech on teachers.

 

[exGOPer]

Actually court precedents demonstrate that calling a student by their given name is the only requirement beyond teaching the material outlined in the state's educational curriculum. Demanding or dictating that a teacher makes particular speech was outlawed by the courts decades ago after teachers were forced to make speeches in their class pushing particular local political candidates to keep their jobs.

Which precedents are you talking about. Cite them since we are not talking about political speech, this is an internal organizational requirement, not about a teacher's personal political opinions. In fact, you are making the case that the teacher cannot bring his political opinions to class.

 

[gwb-trading]

Which precedents are you talking about. Cite them since we are not talking about political speech, this is an internal organizational requirement, not about a teacher's personal political opinions. In fact, you are making the case that the teacher cannot bring his political opinions to class.

Maybe you need to go back and read some history of teaching in the U.S. including all the court cases since the late 1800 which dealt with teachers being fired/hired by local politicians. This is aligned with the growth of K-12 teacher tenure & unionization. Court cases strictly ruled on what teachers could be forced or not forced to state in a classroom. If a teacher chooses to make political speech that is allowed -- forcing a teacher to make political speech is not allowed. Forcing a teacher to use a pronoun to address a student is obviously political speech in this instance. No reasonable court will uphold this firing.

 

[exGOPer]

Maybe you need to go back and read some history of teaching in the U.S. including all the court cases since the late 1800 which dealt with teachers being fired/hired by local politicians. This is aligned with the growth of K-12 teacher tenure & unionization. Court cases strictly ruled on what teachers could be forced or not forced to state in a classroom. If a teacher chooses to make political speech that is allowed -- forcing a teacher to make political speech is not allowed. Forcing a teacher to use a pronoun to address a student is obviously political speech in this instance. No reasonable court will uphold this firing.

I asked you for specifics, you didn't provide any as usual.

And you are the one saying the pronoun is political, the teacher is making it political, not the school which reached the conclusion based on a medical procedure. Medical procedures and medical association defined terms aren't political. Courts are not going to do anything on this but you can keep hoping for your bigot.

 

[gwb-trading]

I asked you for specifics, you didn't provide any as usual.

And you are the one saying the pronoun is political, the teacher is making it political, not the school which reached the conclusion based on a medical procedure. Medical procedures and medical association defined terms aren't political. Courts are not going to do anything on this but you can keep hoping for your bigot.

I can only say that courts will disagree with this assessment. Dictating a teacher use any pronoun for any student, parent, or staff member is political speech.

 

[LacesOut]

Muslims are religious bigots just like your ilk, what has Jihad got to do with liberals? You think those anti-abortion, anti-LGBT conservative Muslims are liberals?

And this is not just the government telling 'people', this is about an employer telling an employee to follow organizational rules - there is no free speech argument here as Kennedy already explained. Refusing to do your job as instructed is not even remotely close to the 'additional burden' arguments in the clinics case.

Now try again, peddle your pro-Muslim jihadi view like the typical anti-LGBT conservative.

Compelled speech is not an organizational rule. Maybe in the North Korean Marxist Paradise you hope to bring to America - but that shit don’t fly here.
Please don’t talk about the first amendment - your side couldn’t be more the antithesis of liberty.